What do you believe the destiny of Blacks (globally) should be?

[DrBanneker]

I have been thinking for a while about this. With all the problems we have and depressing stuff that seems to pop up daily, I almost wish there was like a goal or ideal we could look forward to. Not even something we achieve in our lifetimes but something our descendants would remember us by.

On that note, what do you think the destiny of Black people will be? 500 years from now, what will our legacy have been? Short term it may look bleak but having surmounted what we have from invasions, to slavery, to colonialism and genocide, I am not ready to throw in the towel. Will it be Afrofuturism, saving humanity from itself, taking up the baton of civilization when others falter/destroy themselves?

Granted, I know "destiny is what you make it" blah, blah, blah but if we could leave a special mark for all time, what should it be in your opinion? The quote from Marcus Garvey below has always intrigued me:

As by the action of the world, as by the conduct of all the races and nations it is apparent that not one of them has the sense of justice, the sense of love, the sense of equity, the sense of charity, that would make men happy, and make God satisfied. It is apparent that it is left to the Negro to play such a part in human affairs—for when we look to the Anglo-Saxon we see him full of greed, avarice, no mercy, no love, no charity. We go from the white man to the yellow man, and we see the same unenviable characteristics in the Japanese. Therefore we must believe that the Psalmist had great hopes of this race of ours when he prophesied "Princes shall come om of Egypt and Ethiopia shall stretch forth her hands unto God."

 

[JahFocus CS]

New Afrikans in North America are headed towards assimilation and genocide. Honestly if this system persists (capitalism), I do not see a future for Afrikan people in the U.S. We could have a future in North America if we had our own state, but the way things are going, this shyt is a wrap.

Africa definitely has a future.

 

[AlainLocke]

New Afrikans in North America are headed towards assimilation and genocide. Honestly if this system persists (capitalism), I do not see a future for Afrikan people in the U.S. We could have a future in North America if we had our own state, but the way things are going, this shyt is a wrap.

Africa definitely has a future.

Realistically...we mostly likely will be killed off...

Only reason we are not like the Native American is because we assimilated better than they did and we were more unified. If we had our own state, we would probably be fukked up too.

I agree with you about capitalism, the shyt is so fukking stupid, but I understand it. I understand the appeal of it to us.

But I ain't one of these dusty ass nikkas that think we should be broke and wait on socialism along with some White leftists.

I think we a need a few good men and women and centrally plan a Black market socialist economy.

I think Black communists just need to do it ourselves.


nikkas that think they gonna be milliionaires and billionaires can go do that. nikkas that think we just need Black banks can go do that. nikkas that think we just need everyone to get theirs can go do that.

Black communists and socialists need to do the job of getting and building capital. We need to study Actually Existing Socialism...Vietnam particularly and do the work.

All it takes is a small city. If we can centrally plan say, a Black town in Mississippi through a cooperative corporation and give like 10 percent of the citizens living their jobs...that's good work.

 

[Jimi Swagger]

Don't know if many brehs were Boy/Eagle Scouts (or had decent dads or uncles) and heard of Smart Goals. Talmbout blacks globally when you or your family are in a rut is similar to trying to climb Mount Everest wearing only shower sandals in two days; foolish and unattainable and basically lip service. You need to map and measure, get the necessary equipment, start step by step, then trek to half way points/camp sites to stop and rejuvenate as you go as you will encounter obstacles, nothing in life worth value is quick and easy (including people). All of this is required as you reach the top. Also visualize your goals, write them down, use imagery as the brain processes pictures better than words and images are ingrained into the psyche. No amount of green juicing, decalcifying pineal glands, education and good credit will allow you to obtain long term goals instantly. Black people love instant gratification and are caught up by the physical.

First focus on self improvement and as you mature, create families with a purpose or agenda (hence planning partners and children instead of "oops babies" coparenting with thots and males who are not ready to be fathers or in relationships) and forging solid networks with like minded, goal oriented people (extended family). This will start locally, nationally and internationally. Disassociate from negative people with no purpose; they are a vexation to the spirit and you spend years wasting time(generations in black peoples case). It's like that Chris Rock joke where one spouse is a saved Church goer while the other hits the crack pipe. That couple is dysfunctional but two crackheads together get things accomplished as they have the same goal; smoking crack!

Even the Rockefellers started in the ghettos of Frankfurt. Great kingdoms of the past; Africa, Asia, Americas, wherever started as conglomerates with like minded people marrying and forming extended networks, trade for material and intellectual resources and over time coalesced into great civilizations. This is why there is no starting or end point as there are pyramids in America older than Giza with foods and wares from "foreign" places, the same in other pyramids around the world, including Asia on the same grid. These people did not always agree, as no one agrees with 100% of what you say or do but YOU, however they had the same goals, rituals up until constant intervention by outsiders (the obstacles for climbing Mount Everest: including people who "look" like them but were not of them). All people who are classified as Black will not share the same values but want to share the accolades for something they did not put into, people who do not look like you can be your best allies. I can't stress this enough but in order to build you need solid family and networks and attainable short and long-term mapped goals.

 

[Box Cutta]

In America? The future is extremely grim. Demographic changes as a result of immigration (Which we sadly voted for) is going to push us even further down the ladder. I don't see a good future for my people at all.

The rest of the diaspora? It seems just as dire. I'm interested in some of the things I've read in regards to Brazil on this forum, but I've not read enough on it to determine whether or not their rise in consciousness is going to lead to positive ends. My understanding is that most of the carib is just a tourist spot for cacs (In which they own and control the majority of the wealth and resources). South America just seems to be a dead end for us.

I'm not educated enough on the state of current African affairs to know where these countries are and what they need to accomplish. But I DO know that the future of the black race lies there. If they succeed, well then, our race succeeds. If they fail, it's over.

I'm pessimistic as hell, and maybe this mentality is just as entrenched in white supremacy as anything else, but it's hard to feel hopeful....

 

[ryshy]

nikkas need to care more about the environment.

 

[DrBanneker]

Realistically...we mostly likely will be killed off...

Only reason we are not like the Native American is because we assimilated better than they did and we were more unified. If we had our own state, we would probably be fukked up too.

I agree with you about capitalism, the shyt is so fukking stupid, but I understand it. I understand the appeal of it to us.

But I ain't one of these dusty ass nikkas that think we should be broke and wait on socialism along with some White leftists.

I think we a need a few good men and women and centrally plan a Black market socialist economy.

I think Black communists just need to do it ourselves.


nikkas that think they gonna be milliionaires and billionaires can go do that. nikkas that think we just need Black banks can go do that. nikkas that think we just need everyone to get theirs can go do that.

Black communists and socialists need to do the job of getting and building capital. We need to study Actually Existing Socialism...Vietnam particularly and do the work.

All it takes is a small city. If we can centrally plan say, a Black town in Mississippi through a cooperative corporation and give like 10 percent of the citizens living their jobs...that's good work.

Interesting, but all the communist countries are running away from communism as fast as possible, except maybe N. Korea but some say they are more 'Stalinist' than anything. Some isolated examples like Cuba's health care are cool but communism doesn't build wealth, unfortunately kills a lot of people, and is as outdated as the 20th century.

 

[DrBanneker]

Don't know if many brehs were Boy/Eagle Scouts (or had decent dads or uncles) and heard of Smart Goals. Talmbout blacks globally when you or your family are in a rut is similar to trying to climb Mount Everest wearing only shower sandals in two days; foolish and unattainable and basically lip service. You need to map and measure, get the necessary equipment, start step by step, then trek to half way points/camp sites to stop and rejuvenate as you go as you will encounter obstacles, nothing in life worth value is quick and easy (including people). All of this is required as you reach the top. Also visualize your goals, write them down, use imagery as the brain processes pictures better than words and images are ingrained into the psyche. No amount of green juicing, decalcifying pineal glands, education and good credit will allow you to obtain long term goals instantly. Black people love instant gratification and are caught up by the physical.

You are right, that would help immensely. One of the problem is the organizational level for us is pretty low. With no government of our own and the traditional organizations either ineffective or bought off, it would have to really be a community based thing. I also agree not everyone Black is 'down' and don't consider all non-Blacks as against us. A lot of Black people just don't give a shyt about whether all of us live or die as long as they have their money, power, and p*ssy sadly. Usually it will take a core group to get anything done.

 

[DrBanneker]

In America? The future is extremely grim. Demographic changes as a result of immigration (Which we sadly voted for) is going to push us even further down the ladder. I don't see a good future for my people at all.

The rest of the diaspora? It seems just as dire. I'm interested in some of the things I've read in regards to Brazil on this forum, but I've not read enough on it to determine whether or not their rise in consciousness is going to lead to positive ends. My understanding is that most of the carib is just a tourist spot for cacs (In which they own and control the majority of the wealth and resources). South America just seems to be a dead end for us.

I'm not educated enough on the state of current African affairs to know where these countries are and what they need to accomplish. But I DO know that the future of the black race lies there. If they succeed, well then, our race succeeds. If they fail, it's over.

I'm pessimistic as hell, and maybe this mentality is just as entrenched in white supremacy as anything else, but it's hard to feel hopeful....

I've lived in Brazil. Though Brazilian society will fight any consciousness tooth and nail (or even with violence), a bigger problem is Brazil's divided Black identity. The lighter skin people call themselves pardo or even White to try to move up the ladder so getting people to call themselves negro is a fight in and of itself. Brazil may have some hope though since they no longer have huge immigration from Europe and Asia and Blacks are the fastest growing part of the population I believe. Shady stuff can still happen though. Argentina got rid of its Blacks by sending the men to the front lines in the Paraguay War and the remaining women were forced to assimilate.

Africa is a mixed bag. There are opportunities to hope--favorable resources and demographics--but most countries are still controlled economically by outsiders and have their own corruption and shortsightedness to deal with.

 

[DrBanneker]

Well the pessimism is warranted---sometimes I wonder what anyone could have done to deserve some of the crap we go through. But let's be honest, the slaves and Africans under colonialism didn't exactly have a bright future but they kept fighting. We are far from perfect but have more wealth and education than they did so we should hope to do something. The biggest issue I see is why so many people don't care. When you see kids on the street not even trying or leaders selling us out, the lack of foresight and even basic self preservation boggles my mind.

Big picture though, we need to create at least an economic network to support ourselves no matter what others (government, other groups) does. All land on Earth is taken and I would never favor a separate country anyway since it makes us a nice, convenient target. There are some dedicated people out there but unfortunately I don't think most people are going to 'get it' until something terrible happens to us. I thought more would wake up after Katrina.

 

[AlainLocke]

Interesting, but all the communist countries are running away from communism as fast as possible, except maybe N. Korea but some say they are more 'Stalinist' than anything. Some isolated examples like Cuba's health care are cool but communism doesn't build wealth, unfortunately kills a lot of people, and is as outdated as the 20th century.

Communist countries are not running away from communism, they are heading towards socialism through building their productive capabilities by using capitalism. Communism is a complete and total classless society. You can't have that without building the productive capabilities of society. With capitalism, you can do that and Marx hiimself even said to do that. Communism is nothing more than the final stage society.

A communist country is a country that is dedicated towards building a classless society. A lot people don't understand that. It's not about what a country currently is, it is about what it is going to be.

Vietnam and China are market socialist economies. The economy is centrally planned, the biggest corporations are government owned and there is a private sector. Vietnam is one of the fastest growing economies right now. China is already a Top 5 economy.

And you say Communism kills a lot of people? So what? Capitalism kills a lot of people. The reason why Black people are in this mess is because Capitalism.

How many Black people have died from the slave raids, transatlantic slave trade, Black codes, Jim Crow, and the War on Drugs?

How many Mexicans have loss their jobs due NATFA? They loss their country to drug cartels due to NAFTA and ultimately lose their lives due to NAFTA.

How many farmers have committed suicide due to Monsanto practices?

How many Chinese factory workers have committed suicide?

How many people commit suicide every year (one of the leading causes of death around the world) due to economic anxiety?

Capitalism kills people everyday.

 

[Red Shield]

I'm a cynical and pessimistic person..

If the usa was to continue on a gradual decline..then yeah AA's might be fukked. But we're currently going through an awakening, so that works in our favor. However I don't think the usa will decline gracefully or gradually. Signs are pointing towards something very very bad and deserved happening to this place.

So realistically.. I don't see the usa being around 20-40yrs from now. I think as long as the usa get's waxed.. we got a pretty good future ahead. Not easy, but shyt ain't never been easy for us.




Now globally? The blacks in europe are most likely toast.

South America

Africa will probably descend into a period of final war. Where's tribes are consolidated through whatever means, so organic nation states can come about. So yeah there is gonna be a shyt load of ethnic cleansing and genocide, but that shyt is gonna be happening everywhere globally.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

- Africa is on 2 tracks of development. Pray Nigeria doesn't collapse
- Africans outside of the Caribbean will have no change in their condition regarding human/political rights. Pray for a Black Liberation force like the FLN
- 3 billion Black people by 2100. Fear of a Black planet/population reduction

 

[Poitier]

Only thing that matters to me: Black people conducting business smarter re: development. I don't care if its capitalism, socialism, whatever. Just stop being idiots. Everything else will fall into place. The reverence for the commodity (humans, oil, minerals, guns, salt) has lead us to stay true to an outdated economic system and keeps putting us at the mercy of outsiders. This chain has to be broken. We should not be using economic systems fit for 1300 AD in 2016.

 

[DrBanneker]

- Africa is on 2 tracks of development. Pray Nigeria doesn't collapse
- Africans outside of the Caribbean will have no change in their condition regarding human/political rights. Pray for a Black Liberation force like the FLN
- 3 billion Black people by 2100. Fear of a Black planet/population reduction

Black Africa is the only place on Earth right now with a growing population well above replacement rate. I have a bad feeling some people aren't going to let that stand...we need to be watchful and not so naive.