What does Michael Jordan do better than LeBron besides score?

[jwonder]

Nothing but wishes he wasn't black. King James is the true black excellence

 

[Draje]

nikkas can't help but overexaggerate and bullshyt to make their points.

Lebron is an ungodly talented scorer and among the elites. His ability to get into the paint and take advantage of minor defensive collapses is amazing. He's a great shooter even if he's not elite. He's a better three point shooter than Jordan too.

But Jordan is still better. If Jordan is a 100 or the most perfect scorer ever, Lebron is a 85-90.

And Jordan is not a better passer than Lebron and this isn't even about assists or numbers. Lebron has a CP3 or Magic-esque to get all his shooters the balls into their shooting pocket, in rhythm, and from anywhere on the court. His touch, vision, creativity, strength, and ability to predict where lapses will be is great.

But Jordan is a better overall player.

 

[supertrekker]

adding on
Lebron has a top 5 PG, top 10 PF, and himself, has Tristin Thomas, Deron Williams, Kyle Korver, etc etc

lets not even talk about Lebron with the Heat

his team have been cheat codes every year that Heat team could have won a championship even without him (and a better coach).

Pippen was good, but Grant was not a top 10 PF and in reality fed off MJ and PIppen. The teams on the top during that era were loaded with talent especially the mid to late 80s and early 90s teams.

He single handedly beat my boy Magic and ended the Lakers dynasty in the 91 finals. It took me a long time to forgive him for that. Before that year I saw him as a guy that can only win a dunk competition.

 

[Poitier]

Kobe has 3 season above 30 ppg, LeBron has 2 and a 29.7. Kobe has no 29.x seasons.

Yes with one of those being a 35 ppg....a pretty wide gulf to Lebron's 31 ppg season. Kobe has 3x as many 28 ppg seasons as Lebron.

 

[DonKnock]

adding on
Lebron has a top 5 PG, top 10 PF, and himself, has Tristin Thomas, Deron Williams, Kyle Korver, etc etc

lets not even talk about Lebron with the Heat

his team have been cheat codes every year that Heat team could have won a championship even without him (and a better coach).

Pippen was good, but Grant was not a top 10 PF and in reality fed off MJ and PIppen. The teams on the top during that era were loaded with talent especially the mid to late 80s and early 90s teams.

Are you trying to argue that the Warriors aren't loaded with talent?

They have 6 current or former allstars on the roster.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

 

[Perfectson]

*looks at the trailblazers blowing a 15 point fourth quarter lead in game 6 with Scottie and 4 reserves in the game, the bulls winning game 6 in 1996 by double digits with Michael shooting 5-19, and the jazz's second and third leading scorers in the 1998 finals averaging just 10.6 and 9.7 points* go point out which teams in the 90's were more talented than what Chicago had

1. They blew a 15 point lead but you make it seem like it was all Scottie, Jordan dropped 33 points that game . Besides that, the Portland team had been playing with one antother a quite along time and were faily formidable with Drexler, Terry Porter (20 ppg scorer), Cliff Robinson, and Jerome Kersey

just because you don't know there names doesn't make them so sort of bad team.

2. Jazz had Karl Malone a top 10 PF all time, John Stockton a top 10 pg, and Jeff Hornacek as the 3rd man - plus Byron Russell and Big Greg Ostertag - again you're shytting on them because Chicago put the clamps on Stockton and Hornacek? They had one of the best defensive teams especially perimeter wise. They were able to put Ron Harper on Stockton and Jordan clamped down anyone who he guarded....they let Rodman do what he needed with Karl and Scottie clamped down whomever he had to guard...it was just a faily good matchup for the Bulls.

 

[Perfectson]

Are you trying to argue that the Warriors aren't loaded with talent?

They have 6 current or former allstars on the roster.

were you responding to my post? I have no idea what you're talking about?

 

[DonKnock]

Yes with one of those being a 35 ppg....a pretty wide gulf to Lebron's 31 ppg season. Kobe has 3x as many 28 ppg seasons as Lebron.

Kobe had a 38.5 usage rate that season, the highest ever before Westbrook shattered it this season. LeBron has never been over 33.5.


You keep coming back to more = better regardless of shots it takes to do it. If you feel that way fine, but that does not make it accurate.

You characterized Kobe as:

a player who has 15 seasons of 30 ppg

Then are baffled when I don't agree that Kobe neither a) averaged 30ppg for his career, or b) has 15 seasons of 30 ppg. Because it is simply not factually accurate.

Now the bar has been lowered to one season was way higher, and there are a few mid level seasons that are marginally better; again with no concern for the efficiency of these outputs.


None of this proves that it's not harder to score against zone defense or that Jordan was better as an off-ball defender

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

So this is how I look at it. fukk stats, and championships . Jordan played in an era in that if a team didn't have a dominate big man that team was going nowhere. The Celtics had Parrish and McHale, The Lakers had Kareem and Worthy, The Pistons had Laimbeer and Rodman, The Knicks had Ewing, Oakley and Smith, The Pacers had Smits and both Davis's, The Rockets had Hakeem and Thorpe, The Spurs had Robinson and Duncan. And yet playing on a team with Bill Cartwright and Luke Longley as his centers a guy named Jordan standing at 6'6 and as skinny as Reggie Miller dominated the league that was dominated by 7 footers. Just look at the two years he took off from basketball and who won. The Rockets, a team with a hall of fame center. So don't give me this shyt that the Bulls team were more talented than any team in that era. They were only more talented because they had the best player in the league. You want to talk about era. Anyone that tries to stop Lebron is called for a foul even if they don't touch.

Deconstructing this one is gonna be easy . Let's start with the lakers: Chicago didn't face the lakers until the 1991 finals at which point Kareem was gone and Pat Riley was gone too. This makes mentioning Kareem totally irrelevant. Laimbeer was not a major scorer for the pistons (he averaged 13-17 points per game throughout the 80's while Detroit was contending), and neither was Rodman, (who was a small forward at the time who averaged 7 points per game on the career). Chicago never faced Boston in the playoffs after 1987 so they're not relevant to Chicago winning in the 90's. The spurs are not relevant to this conversation as they never faced Chicago and Tim Duncan's rookie year was Jordan's last in Chicago anyway. Once again, this team is not relevant. The bulls also never faced the rockets in the finals so they aren't relevant to this discussion either. This leaves us with the pacers and the Knicks. Dale and Antonio Davis averaged 10 and 8 points per game on the career respectively, with dale peaking at 11.7 and Antonio peaking at 14.5. Lets not paint these two up as franchise cornerstones . Onto the Knicks. Charles smith averaged 14/6 for the career. He never made a single all star team. Oakley made one all star team and two all defensive teams while averaging 9.7 points on the career. It's not like Chicago had to deal with titans in the low post annually save for the trash ass Knicks whose second best player was John starks. And Jordan was not "as skinny as Reggie miller" either. He had 20 pounds on Reggie during the 90's. Reggie played at 195 and Mike played at 216, noticeably larger and stronger. The bulls won because they were a much better team and most of these teams had little more than spare parts on the wing to deal with Michael and Scottie.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Kobe had a 38.5 usage rate that season, the highest ever before Westbrook shattered it this season. LeBron has never been over 33.5.


You keep coming back to more = better regardless of shots it takes to do it. If you feel that way fine, but that does not make it accurate.

You characterized Kobe as:



Then are baffled when I don't agree that Kobe neither a) averaged 30ppg for his career, or b) has 15 seasons of 30 ppg. Because it is simply not factually accurate.

Now the bar has been lowered to one season was way higher, and there are a few mid level seasons that are marginally better; again with no concern for the efficiency of these outputs.


None of this proves that it's not harder to score against zone defense or that Jordan was better as an off-ball defender

Kobe stans don't live in reality. They keep posting outlandish claims easily debunked by basic yahoo or google searches and then try to argue absurd hypotheticals when confronted with these facts. It's best not to engage them for long as it tends to cause severe brain damage.

 

[Poitier]

Kobe had a 38.5 usage rate that season, the highest ever before Westbrook shattered it this season. LeBron has never been over 33.5.

And Westbrook didn't come close to 35 ppg. Higher usage does not mean a huge boost in scoring output, especially since Lebron is much more likely to end a possession with a pass than a shot compared to Kobe.

Come on bruh, you really got to think before you type out illogical arguments.

 

[King Musa]

Don't fukk wit no nikkas

 

[Poitier]

Then are baffled when I don't agree that Kobe neither a) averaged 30ppg for his career, or b) has 15 seasons of 30 ppg. Because it is simply not factually accurate.

Now the bar has been lowered to one season was way higher, and there are a few mid level seasons that are marginally better; again with no concern for the efficiency of these outputs.

Kobe had nothing to do with my example lol
And yes VOLUME does not consider durability/consistency

You're trying to make one argument yet making a totally different argument. I don't think anyone debates that Lebron came in the league more physically ready than Kobe but he never peaked game to game or in a season as an individual scorer to the extent of Kobe and damn sure not MJ.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

its true.. everything you said is true..

those that lose.. well the ones that won had a better team for sure...

That's why I always thought the "got heart" that some love take a shot at Bron with or over praise Kobe with is kind of ridiculous and asinine

As much heart as Kobe may have had.... he had no where near as much as heart as AI.

Truth be told, it probably can be argued AI had more heart than MJ.

But what does that mean for AI?

Nicca won't even put him in the convo of GOAT no more

Martha