What exactly defines a living wage?

[Professor Emeritus]

Living wage should be enough for the wage earner to support a family of four in their basic housing, food, transport, communication, education, and health care. (Some of those things may or may not be provided by local government, that will obviously be a factor.)

It will obviously differ from place to place.

enough to pay rent on part of an apartment, not your own. eat, pay the utilities and internet. and get around your particular area

whatever it costs for a studio apartment food for 1, and basic expenses for 1 person

When did the basic unit of the economy become the individual rather than the family?

I can't really imagine any national economy maintaining itself on a productive, enduring level if we assume that people are all only taking care of themselves and not their loved ones.

 

[the cac mamba]

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Living wage should be enough for the wage earner to support a family of four in their basic housing, food, transport, communication, education, and health care. (Some of those things may or may not be provided by local government, that will obviously be a factor.)

It will obviously differ from place to place.






When did the basic unit of the economy become the individual rather than the family?

I can't really imagine any national economy maintaining itself on a productive, enduring level if we assume that people are all only taking care of themselves and not their loved ones.

youre right in a perfect world, but were pretty far from that right now. id love it if everyone in america made 30 an hpur or more

make that happen and im not gonna oppose you on it

 

[Professor Emeritus]

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youre right in a perfect world, but were pretty far from that right now. id love it if everyone in america made 30 an hpur or more

make that happen and im not gonna oppose you on it

There's nothing inherently difficult about it except that those with the power to do so have spent the last 40 years explicitly pushing everything in the opposite direction.

If we still had 1960s values on wages and taxes, had let both of those scale alongside the economy, and then used the productivity gains of the tech era to benefit the worker as much as the investor, then we could easily have had an America where every worker in the country was making $20+ right now without the slightest dent to our economy and in fact probably a stronger economy and certainly a stronger national budget. That's without any crazy socialism scheme, just 1960s policy and intelligent use of technological advancement.

 

[OfTheCross]

Living wage should be enough for the wage earner to support a family of four in their basic housing, food, transport, communication, education, and health care. (Some of those things may or may not be provided by local government, that will obviously be a factor.)

It will obviously differ from place to place.






When did the basic unit of the economy become the individual rather than the family?

I can't really imagine any national economy maintaining itself on a productive, enduring level if we assume that people are all only taking care of themselves and not their loved ones.

when women fully joined the workforce, imo.

let's use our brains here.

if the cost of living for 1 individual is $1500 and there are two people employed at that rate, they can easily support additional people.

example.
rent = $900 for a studio
food = $300 for 1 person
basic expenses = let's say, another $300

that's $1500 total on $1500 income

Now...if you have 2 ppl working the income is $3000

rent = $1700 for a 2 bedroom
food = $400 for 2 ppl
basic expenses = $600, lets say

that's $2700 total on $3000 income.

and these are floor wages. motherfukkers can actually be good at their jobs and move up

 

[Professor Emeritus]

when women fully joined the workforce, imo.

let's use our brains here.

if the cost of living for 1 individual is $1500 and there are two people employed at that rate, they can easily support additional people.

example.
rent = $900 for a studio
food = $300 for 1 person
basic expenses = let's say, another $300

that's $1500 total on $1500 income

Now...if you have 2 ppl working the income is $3000

rent = $1700 for a 2 bedroom
food = $400 for 2 ppl
basic expenses = $600, lets say

that's $2700 total on $3000 income.

and these are floor wages. motherfukkers can actually be good at their jobs and move up

You didn't factor children into either of those at all.

Forcing families to need two incomes to survive is society-destroying. It's strange that your user name is "Of The Cross", yet you would cape for such a family-destroying modern trend.

For 99% of human history, one income sustained the family for all but the destitute poor. Woman having the option to join the workforce is fine. Women being required to join the workforce for families to make ends meet, forcing their kids to have limited parental action during their most vulnerable years? That's recipe for disaster and in fact a major contributor to wage stagnation and the inability of poor families to move up in wages. If one parent is working and the other is focusing on family care, the working parent can improve themselves and move up. If both parents are working and are trying to juggle taking care their children between hours, then both are unlikely to do better than tread water.

 

[OfTheCross]

You didn't factor children into either of those at all.

Forcing families to need two incomes to survive is society-destroying. It's strange that your user name is "Of The Cross", yet you would cape for such a family-destroying modern trend.

For 99% of human history, one income sustained the family for all but the destitute poor. Woman having the option to join the workforce is fine. Women being required to join the workforce for families to make ends meet, forcing their kids to have limited parental action during their most vulnerable years? That's recipe for disaster and in fact a major contributor to wage stagnation and the inability of poor families to move up in wages. If one parent is working and the other is focusing on family care, the working parent can improve themselves and move up. If both parents are working and are trying to juggle taking care their children between hours, then both are unlikely to do better than tread water.

a living wage shouldn't be to support and entire family.

most kids out of highschool don't have kids, imagine them getting 4K a month off the rip?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

a living wage shouldn't be to support and entire family.

most kids out of highschool don't have kids, imagine them getting 4K a month off the rip?

Why should high school kids be competing with wageearners anyway? Didn't y'all tell me they gonna be priced out of the market with higher wages?

There can be special positions for high schoolers looking for work experience/pocket money - allow for low-wage internships for kids which are part-time and non-competitive with wage-earner roles. If they want something longer-term they can sign up for Americorps.

But a wageearner job should pay a living wage, and wageearners support families.

 

[DEAD7]

Why should high school kids be competing with wageearners anyway? Didn't y'all tell me they gonna be priced out of the market with higher wages?

There can be special positions for high schoolers looking for work experience/pocket money - allow for low-wage internships for kids which are part-time and non-competitive with wage-earner roles. If they want something longer-term they can sign up for Americorps.

But a wageearner job should pay a living wage, and wageearners support families.

A living wage should be a baseline for the individual, not the household.
Its a starting point... or minimum if you will

 

[Professor Emeritus]

A living wage should be a baseline for the individual, not the household.
Its a starting point... or minimum if you will

I tend to side against anti-family policies.

I know this is #GMB territory, but in reality the vast majority of adults are part of a family or a hoping to be part of a family in the near future. They are helping to support their spouse, children, parents, or siblings or other relatives with difficulties, or they are planning to do one of those things soon. Wage laws that encourage people to stay single, or that lead women with children to feel that a wageearning man cannot support them, or that lead a man to feel he cannot support his family, or that lead both parents to feel they have to work full-time to support a family, are bad for society.

 

[DEAD7]

I tend to side against anti-family policies.

I know this is #GMB territory, but in reality the vast majority of adults are part of a family or a hoping to be part of a family in the near future. They are helping to support their spouse, children, parents, or siblings or other relatives with difficulties, or they are planning to do one of those things soon. Wage laws that encourage people to stay single, or that lead women with children to feel that a wageearning man cannot support them, or that lead a man to feel he cannot support his family, or that lead both parents to feel they have to work full-time to support a family, are bad for society.

I dont disagree with you, but I feel the baseline should be the individual.



Edit: Terms like family/household aren't as clear as they once were with children living at home well into their thirty's, and community living arrangements on the rise. The latter in response to the high cost of living

 

[Black Panther]

I make 4x before my bonuses.

Let me hold $2000.

 

[Pressure]

Let me hold $2000.

I could probably use some custom art work. :Bigwow3:

 

[How Sway?]

For a college graduate with loan debt(let's say 30k), anything under 40k might as well be poverty imo.

And let's not even talk about children

 

[Secure Da Bag]

For a college graduate with loan debt(let's say 30k), anything under 40k might as well be poverty imo.

And let's not even talk about children

That's a different type of failure though. You graduate college, got student loans, and depend on an entry-level job for a high schooler?

 

[Black Panther]

I could probably use some custom art work. :Bigwow3:

Pass that Mustard then, breh