What exactly is Danny Ainge doing?

[phillycavsfan]

The constant questioning and doubting the abilities of Danny Ainge as a GM is so bizarre.

Flipped a bottom of the barrel team into a team playing in the ECF over a four year period. Has cap space to sign a FA to a max contract. Has drafted in the top three of the NBA Draft in each of the last two seasons with two more high Lottery picks in the stash next season. I don't get the hate.

But what has he done with the assets? He's waiting for number 1 picks, but then when he gets them he trades them away because "the backcourt is already loaded" (lol). He wants stars, but then won't pull the trigger on dealing precious picks to get them. All of his young players (save Tatum) can't shoot or create their own shot. His best player is a 29 year old 5'8" point guard who's gonna want a supermax deal next summer. His team made it to the ECF but they got blown out by 50 on their home floor. They're not close to contending and they don't have young studs like Giannis or KAT or Porzingis or Embiid to say they'll be one of the teams of the future.

They still have the Brooklyn pick, but there's no guarantee they'll have the top pick again. It seems like Ainge got the map but he's no idea about where he's going.

 

[Stress Welker]

But what has he done with the assets? He's waiting for number 1 picks, but then when he gets them he trades them away because "the backcourt is already loaded" (lol). He wants stars, but then won't pull the trigger on dealing precious picks to get them. All of his young players (save Tatum) can't shoot or create their own shot. His best player is a 29 year old 5'8" point guard who's gonna want a supermax deal next summer. His team made it to the ECF but they got blown out by 50 on their home floor. They're not close to contending and they don't have young studs like Giannis or KAT or Porzingis or Embiid to say they'll be one of the teams of the future.

They still have the Brooklyn pick, but there's no guarantee they'll have the top pick again. It seems like Ainge got the map but he's no idea about where he's going.

Didn't take Fultz because "The backcourt is already loaded" is a false narrative. Stopped reading after that.

 

[phillycavsfan]

Didn't take Fultz because "The backcourt is already loaded" is a false narrative. Stopped reading after that.

Boston Globe writer, so he'd be in the know.

 

[Emoryal]

He doesn't know what to with all those assets. Just making moves to seem smart. He could of had 3 stars by now. Jimmy, PG, Blake, KD, CP, Hayward, all in moves or in FA the past two years and he's drafting down

 

[Damnshow]

The constant questioning and doubting the abilities of Danny Ainge as a GM is so bizarre.

Flipped a bottom of the barrel team into a team playing in the ECF over a four year period. Has cap space to sign a FA to a max contract. Has drafted in the top three of the NBA Draft in each of the last two seasons with two more high Lottery picks in the stash next season. I don't get the hate.

We are questioning his abilities as a GM because he is doing nothing with his assets while all star players are getting traded for nothing

He was gifted a championship contenders package, when your team has three top 3 picks while playing in the eastern conference that means your team should be in win now mode. Instead he is delaying everything hoping he gon keep this competitive project right now, develop his rookies and then MAYBE some star player will be interested in coming to boston once bron is not a factor in the east anymore.

It's crazy how gm's are asking ainge so much but then decide to trade away their players for basically nothing. Which means either GM's REALLY hate him or he simply refuses to give away any of his high 1st round picks

 

[William F. Russell]

Perfect comparison



I think he means as far as talent acquisition goes, not performance. I swear Wenger doesn't even have have the transfer windows memorized, he just sleeps right through them

Not to derail the thread but it's not simple to get big-name players. Everybody knows that Arsenal NOW has money and that means teams will hold onto coveted players for the sake of driving up transfer prices. Additionally, if Arsenal's interested in a player, you can believe so are Barca, Real, Bayern Munich, and other big teams. Arsenal has a strong winning history but we haven't shown in a long time that we're among Europe's elite clubs (in large part b/c we went through a poor financial stretch); teams like the aforementioned have won Europe's biggest trophies very recently. If you're highly-sought player, you're ALWAYS going to go to the club that gives you the best possible wages and is a legitimate contender for the Champions League and domestic titles. Wenger sometimes tries to get too cute during transfer negotiations but to act like he's just sleeping through transfer windows is disingenuous.:WengerKnows:

By, the way, reports are saying that we signed Lacazatte.

 

[#StarkSet]

This win now and win later shyt is really going to fukk you over


Ainge need to pick one and focus on it



U sign horford to that ridiculous deal then pass on PG, boogie, and butler . shyt makes no sense


Avery looking at big money next year, IT is too, smart will be a rfa


All those draft picks that he is stocking get worse by the minute


This whole thing bout to blow up in ainges face cause he is to bytchmade to make a big move


Keep pump faking

 

[William F. Russell]

We are questioning his abilities as a GM because he is doing nothing with his assets while all star players are getting traded for nothing

He's definitely not "doing nothing" with the assets. Anybody who's been paying attention this offseason knows that Ainge has been trying to make deals with several teams for all the big-name FAs.

Obviously Ainge/Cs have a plethora of assets but that doesn't mean much when other GMs know this and hold out for a King's Ransom in trade deals.

You have people getting mad at Ainge for not mortgaging the team's beautiful and promising future for a one-year rental on Paul George (the same guy who's from LA, is a Lakers fan, and has said he wants to play for the Lakers).

Brehs are acting like the Butler move to Minnesota was an L for us when: 1. they'd be the same people to argue that Boston still wouldn't be genuine contenders even with Butler and 2. Butler went to the WESTERN Conference, thereby making the East weaker (and easier for Boston).

He was gifted a championship contenders package, when your team has three top 3 picks while playing in the eastern conference that means your team should be in win now mode. Instead he is delaying everything hoping he gon keep this competitive project right now, develop his rookies and then MAYBE some star player will be interested in coming to boston once bron is not a factor in the east anymore.

It's called playing the long-game. Like the 76ers and the Lakers have been doing.

We see how "win now" is fukking up the futures of teams like the Cavs and the Clippers.

Again, the East is already getting weaker as a result of offseason moves. And Bron's window is already closing. Ainge is clearly trying to keep a foot in each side of the line; he wants this current squad to be competitive and play to its full potential but is also trying to nurture a nice crop of young, talented future stars for the next 5-10 years. If Ainge adds a player to this squad, it's because that player will be able to make our team a legit contender now while simultaneously serving as a lynchpin for the Cs youth movement.

It's crazy how gm's are asking ainge so much but then decide to trade away their players for basically nothing. Which means either GM's REALLY hate him or he simply refuses to give away any of his high 1st round picks

It's a bit of both. And that's the nature of the business.

 

[William F. Russell]

This win now and win later shyt is really going to fukk you over


Ainge need to pick one and focus on it



U sign horford to that ridiculous deal then pass on PG, boogie, and butler . shyt makes no sense


Avery looking at big money next year, IT is too, smart will be a rfa


All those draft picks that he is stocking get worse by the minute


This whole thing bout to blow up in ainges face cause he is to bytchmade to make a big move


Keep pump faking

Wishful thinking

 

[LEEeveryday]

That Brooklyn pick is gonna be a 3rd pick. Ainge is gonna trade back for more future 1st. And just wash and repeat until he hits on a superstar...

 

[Frump]

We are questioning his abilities as a GM because he is doing nothing with his assets while all star players are getting traded for nothing

He was gifted a championship contenders package, when your team has three top 3 picks while playing in the eastern conference that means your team should be in win now mode. Instead he is delaying everything hoping he gon keep this competitive project right now, develop his rookies and then MAYBE some star player will be interested in coming to boston once bron is not a factor in the east anymore.

It's crazy how gm's are asking ainge so much but then decide to trade away their players for basically nothing. Which means either GM's REALLY hate him or he simply refuses to give away any of his high 1st round picks

And he's speaking through his mouthpieces in the media in damage control actually trying to convince the public that he's offered so much more in all these deals but gm's are so scared of his brilliance that they avoid him and take inferior deals

But his plan seems to be working because a lot of Celtic fans actually believe his bs

 

[intruder]

Come for my dawg one more time

You mean you wouldn't have taken what ended up being the #1 pick and then some for Winslow?

Come on, doggy
I like Winslow too but there's a limite

 

[Damnshow]

He's definitely not "doing nothing" with the assets. Anybody who's been paying attention this offseason knows that Ainge has been trying to make deals with several teams for all the big-name FAs.

Obviously Ainge/Cs have a plethora of assets but that doesn't mean much when other GMs know this and hold out for a King's Ransom in trade deals.

You have people getting mad at Ainge for not mortgaging the team's beautiful and promising future for a one-year rental on Paul George (the same guy who's from LA, is a Lakers fan, and has said he wants to play for the Lakers).

Brehs are acting like the Butler move to Minnesota was an L for us when: 1. they'd be the same people to argue that Boston still wouldn't be genuine contenders even with Butler and 2. Butler went to the WESTERN Conference, thereby making the East weaker (and easier for Boston).



It's called playing the long-game. Like the 76ers and the Lakers have been doing.

We see how "win now" is fukking up the futures of teams like the Cavs and the Clippers.

Again, the East is already getting weaker as a result of offseason moves. And Bron's window is already closing. Ainge is clearly trying to keep a foot in each side of the line; he wants this current squad to be competitive and play to its full potential but is also trying to nurture a nice crop of young, talented future stars for the next 5-10 years. If Ainge adds a player to this squad, it's because that player will be able to make our team a legit contender now while simultaneously serving as a lynchpin for the Cs youth movement.


It's a bit of both. And that's the nature of the business.

mortgaging future for paul george would be dumb, but each all star trade shows how stockpiling the assets is not helping that much because teams eventually start asking for more

like lets get back to jimmy, celtics coulda just traded this years draft pick for jimmy straight up and it woulda been a much better deal. Why that did not happen?

I get it that he is looking for long term

but what is he gonna do with thomas, bradley, smart? Overpaying for each one? Letting them go? To be in the middle of competitive and rebuild modes is going to reduce the minutes for all the younger players. There was some rumors already that guys like jackson were ignoring the celtics because they knew they wouldnt get much playing time

 

[#StarkSet]

Wishful thinking

His only chance of landing big free agents is if they are white



He better hope his draft picks hit



This is going to be the ultimate meltdown

 

[William F. Russell]

mortgaging future for paul george would be dumb, but each all star trade shows how stockpiling the assets is not helping that much because teams eventually start asking for more

like lets get back to jimmy, celtics coulda just traded this years draft pick for jimmy straight up and it woulda been a much better deal. Why that did not happen?

I get it that he is looking for long term

but what is he gonna do with thomas, bradley, smart? Overpaying for each one? Letting them go? To be in the middle of competitive and rebuild modes is going to reduce the minutes for all the younger players. There was some rumors already that guys like jackson were ignoring the celtics because they knew they wouldnt get much playing time

Obviously a choice is gonna have to be made with the guard situation. Isaiah is staying for sure. So Ainge is probably going to use this season to help him decide on who to keep between Bradley or Smart (and there are compelling reasons for both). Or maybe he's going to stick true to his vision of motion-based offense (a la Golden State) and just decided to overpay all of them. In all likelihood, he's just waiting for his best opportunity to make something special happen (perhaps Anthony Davis).

As for rookies not wanting to go to the Cs, that's just the Cs being a victim of their own success. Jackson and others probably saw Jaylen Brown (who had an excellent rookie year, by the way) had to play limited minutes in his rookie year and, therefore, couldn't shine individually as a star player. It's understandable why rookies would want to avoid the Cs and avoid that same scenario. It's also probably short-sighted on their part.