What Happened After a 16-year-old Chose FAMU Over Harvard

[KenyaDoll]

they will feel that a black person doesnt belong anyway, they dont need a logical reason, but the thing is AA gives them logic and facts to back up their feelings, because it is actually true that a lot of black people would not have made it to harvard without AA

Can you site a source to back up your claim that a lot of black students are unqualified to attend without affirmative action?

 

[bigDeeOT]

I acknowledge that people are racially discriminated against, but I think people are blowing it up to be more than it really is. I'm sure a lot of people at my school think I'm dumb or something for being black but then after hearing my talk and class and seeing my test scores they straighten up their attitude once they see their stereotype doesn't apply to me.

 

[bigDeeOT]

Can you site a source to back up your claim that a lot of black students are unqualified to attend without affirmative action?

Yes I can. I will provide it in a few minutes.

 

[theworldismine13]

In my personal opinion, alleviating inequality and leveling the playing field are worth the cost of what a few numbskull will think. Instead of trying to get rid of AA, we should encourage and support students to get higher GPAs and higher test scores so that the numbers can refute any affirmative action claims.

We can agree to disagree because we clearly won't change each other's minds about this particular topic.

yeah we can agree to disagree, black students need to study harder, period

you cant refute affirmative actions claims because the claims are correct, a lot of black students would not have made it without affirmative actions

the goal of black people should be to dominate harvard and other elite schools, our goal shouldnt be to "alleviate inequality and level the playing field" that is just white liberal gibberish, we need to to take over, fuk equality

 

[bigDeeOT]

Here is one article

The Painful Truth About Affirmative Action - Richard Sander and Stuart Taylor Jr. - The Atlantic

[Racial] preferences often place students in environments where they can neither learn nor compete effectively -- even though these same students would thrive had they gone to less competitive but still quite good schools.

We refer to this problem as "mismatch," a word that largely explains why, even though blacks are more likely to enter college than are whites with similar backgrounds, they will usually get much lower grades, rank toward the bottom of the class, and far more often drop out. Because of mismatch, racial preference policies often stigmatize minorities, reinforce pernicious stereotypes, and undermine the self-confidence of beneficiaries, rather than creating the diverse racial utopias so often advertised in college campus brochures.

 

[KenyaDoll]

yeah we can agree to disagree, black students need to study harder, period

you cant refute affirmative actions claims because the claims are correct, a lot of black students would not have made it without affirmative actions

the goal of black people should be to dominate harvard and other elite schools, our goal shouldnt be to "alleviate inequality and level the playing field" that is just white liberal gibberish, we need to to take over, fuk equality

You can't make that claim without a source. That is a VERY big claim to say a lot of the black students at ivy leagues are unqualified to be there without affirmative action.

Do you really think they are admitting black students who are way outside of their GPA and/or SAT/ACT averages? Do you really think they are admitting students with 16 on the ACT just because they had a sob story? Please stop it. Those students meet the same admissions standards and go through the same interviews as everyone else. I'm sure those same students who made it into Harvard were accepted to many other great schools because they had the package that college were looking for.

While I'm sure that there were many white students with slightly higher GRE scores who applied to the same phd programs that I applied to and did not get in. It doesn't change the fact that my GRE scores were well the average of past admission classes. They aren't just admitting completely unqualified people.

 

[bigDeeOT]

yeah we can agree to disagree, black students need to study harder, period

you cant refute affirmative actions claims because the claims are correct, a lot of black students would not have made it without affirmative actions

the goal of black people should be to dominate harvard and other elite schools, our goal shouldnt be to "alleviate inequality and level the playing field" that is just white liberal gibberish, we need to to take over, fuk equality

Hahaha that's some real ass shyt bruh.

A few days ago I did my weekly math tutoring with this girl in high school. She was born here but has african parents. Her mom is a nurse and her dad is an anesthesiologist. In their extended family everyone is successful and she told me the reason why is because they place a strong value on education. Getting an education is an absolute number one priority and the proof is in the pudding. It seems like only the Africans have that kind of spirit.

 

[bigDeeOT]

Do you really think they are admitting black students who are way outside of their GPA and/or SAT/ACT averages?

Yes actually. The proof is in the pudding. The drop out rate for blacks at these universities that practice affirmative action is significantly higher than other races. Look at that article I linked.

 

[KenyaDoll]

Here is one article

The Painful Truth About Affirmative Action - Richard Sander and Stuart Taylor Jr. - The Atlantic

The only data in that article that supports his claim Blacks are so unqualified is related to UT Austin and the percentile ranks for admitted students. You can save all that other stuff. I'm only interested in data that says Black don't deserve to be at these schools.

 

[bigDeeOT]

From the article

The mismatch effect happens when a school extends to a student such a large admissions preference -- sometimes because of a student's athletic prowess or legacy connection to the school, but usually because of the student's race -- that the student finds himself in a class where he has weaker academic preparation than nearly all of his classmates. The student who would flourish at, say, Wake Forest or the University of Richmond, instead finds himself at Duke, where the professors are not teaching at a pace designed for him -- they are teaching to the "middle" of the class, introducing terms and concepts at a speed that is unnerving even to the best-prepared student.

 

[bigDeeOT]

Another myth is that preferences simply give minority applicants a small "plus." In reality, the average SAT disparity between Stanford's African-American and white admittees reached 171 points in 1992, according to data compiled by the Consortium on Financing Higher Education

https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=43448

 

[KenyaDoll]

From the article

You already quoted that. That is what we at Ivy league institutions, keep word WE, call fluff. Again, the article did provide some stats related to test score percentile ranks at one school (UT Austin), where is the actual DATA for all of these schools that Black students don't belong in?

 

[bigDeeOT]

Another good example from the atlantic article.

When explaining to friends how academic mismatch works, we sometimes say: Think back to high school and recall a subject at which you did fine but did not excel. Suppose you had suddenly been transferred into an advanced class in that subject with a friend who was about at your level and 18 other students who excelled in the subject and had already taken the intermediate course you just skipped. You would, in all likelihood, soon be struggling to keep up. The teacher might give you some extra attention but, in class, would be focusing on the median student, not you and your friend, and would probably be covering the material at what, to you, was a bewildering pace.

Wouldn't you have quickly fallen behind and then continued to fall farther and farther behind as the school year progressed? Now assume that you and the friend who joined you at the bottom of that class were both black and everyone else was Asian or white. How would that have felt? Might you have imagined that this could reinforce in the minds of your classmates the stereotype that blacks are weak students?

 

[bigDeeOT]

You already quoted that. That is what we at Ivy league institutions, keep word WE, call fluff. Again, the article did provide some stats related to test score percentile ranks at one school (UT Austin), where is the actual DATA for all of these schools that Black students don't belong in?

Dude actually read the article and tell me what you disagree with and why. Don't just say its fluff. The article clearly states that blacks are being mismatched into schools they cannot handle, all for the sake of diversity. So you don't think that's true?

 

[KenyaDoll]

https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=43448

That article doesn't say whether that point difference actually affected achievement and graduations rates at Stanford NOR does it say where that point difference fit in the overall average. If you really want to talk about this then let's try to look at the big picture and not just snap shots to prove our points.