What Happened After a 16-year-old Chose FAMU Over Harvard

[bigDeeOT]

You've tried to make points by quoting theories from non academic articles. When you did finally post an academic article I addressed within the context of the state and schools that it applies to. You simply didn't like my response.

No you're blinding yourself. You asked me to show you data showing that black students are being admitted to schools they aren't qualified for. I asserted that if what I'm saying is true, we should see college graduation rates for black students go UP after affirmative action is dismissed. And I showed you an article showing exactly that. You keep trying to weasel your way around it when I just PROVED beyond a shadow of a doubt that affirmative action is admitting students who have a lower chance of graduating.

I couldn't care less if you're from Harvard. If anything you should be EMBARRASSED to say you're from Harvard. You come from the best university in the world and it did NOTHING to improve your critical thinking skills. You clearly are in capable of looking at data and seeing how it applies to the bigger picture. In sociology 101 this is called the sociological imagination.

I want to know what exactly is your conclusion from the UT Austin data. So you agree that black students at UT Austin are being admitted with significantly lower GPAs and SATs, but you don't think that affects their graduation rate? Are you serious right now?

 

[theworldismine13]

They can give me the side eye all they want. I'm still going to be an Ivy league grad, I can easily produce evidence of my 90th percentile GRE scores, my work and CV speak for themselves, and I can easily show evidence that white women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action (so maybe they should take their bitterness some where else).

im just stating the fact that a lot of black students get into ivy leagues because of AA, you tried to dispute that, but anybody that knows anything about ivy leagues knows that black students get an extra edge because of AA

i totally agree that white woman are the biggest beneficiaries, which begs the questions why would i support something that benefits white women? this is why i keep bringing it up that AA is a white liberal idea, its not our idea, its not only white woman but other minorities that benefit from AA, but why are we the ones in the front line fighting for white liberal ideas, white women and Hispanics? its a dumb strategy

im not telling you you should feel or how you deal with your fellow students attitudes and the stigma of AA, if you have to carry around your grades and scores then do that, that is on you at the end of the day, but IMO AA should be eliminated

 

[bigDeeOT]

Overrepresented does NOT equal majority which is what my quote said. Just stop!

My point is that the picture you are trying to paint is invalid. You were trying to say that GPA and SAT shouldn't mean much because if it did, then we would see a bunch of asians at the school. That is what you were trying to say but of course you're in denial. You get in denial when I prove you wrong on every point.

 

[theworldismine13]

Overrepresented does NOT equal majority which is what my quote said. Just stop!

im not sure if they are an actual majority but asians are the biggest group in the University of California system after they eliminated AA, and that is the way it should be, the people with the best scores and grades should get in, if we want more blacks in then black students need to study harder

 

[Black_Jesus]

Watch yo mouth FAMU is a good school don't let the media fool you. And the bytches

Compared to Harvard.. Fam aint shyt homie.. bytches shouldn't even be apart of your criteria for choosing higher education

 

[bigDeeOT]

Kenya I want to again point out that at the beginning of this debate I gave you an article that clearly explained why affirmative action is bad and I even quoted for you the highlights of the article. But instead of you actually debating the merits of the argument, you want to play games. "wheres the data wheres the data wheres the data" and then when I show you the data you play more games you say "ok show me data for every school in the world, then I'll believe you"

And you're a Harvard graduate WOW.

 

[bigDeeOT]

im not sure if they are an actual majority but asians are the biggest group in the University of California system after they eliminated AA, and that is the way it should be, the people with the best scores and grades should get in, if we want more blacks in then black students need to study harder

Asians are 40%. They're pretty much a majority for all intents and purposes. They only make up 13% of california population.

 

[KenyaDoll]

No you're blinding yourself. You asked me to show you data showing that black students are being admitted to schools they aren't qualified for. I asserted that if what I'm saying is true, we should see college graduation rates for black students go UP after affirmative action is dismissed. And I showed you an article showing exactly that. You keep trying to weasel your way around it when I just PROVED beyond a shadow of a doubt that affirmative action is admitting students who have a lower chance of graduating.

I couldn't care less if you're from Harvard. If anything you should be EMBARRASSED to say you're from Harvard. You come from the best university in the world and it did NOTHING to improve your critical thinking skills. You clearly are in capable of looking at data and seeing how it applies to the bigger picture. In sociology 101 this is called the sociological imagination.

I want to know what exactly is your conclusion from the UT Austin data. So you agree that black students at UT Austin are being admitted with significantly lower GPAs and SATs, but you don't think that affects their graduation rate? Are you serious right now?

First of all, that was for California only, second it wasn't as evident in SELECTIVE schools (the topic at hand) which were already admitting qualified candidates. You didn't prove a thing.

Sweetie, I have a master's degree in Sociology. That why I think it is funny that you are trying to use data to make conclusion beyond what the data can speak to...

Finally, I've already stated my conclusion to the UT Austin article (not academic study). The average percentile ranks for Black was 52% a lot lower than that of whites. I would also love to know where that percentile fits into the minimum admissions criteria. If 52% is lower than what is needed to succeed then they should not be admitted, but if it is then why are you mad?

 

[mcellas]

Compared to Harvard.. Fam aint shyt homie.. bytches shouldn't even be apart of your criteria for choosing higher education

You right but no need to shyt on Fam and bytches is what made me wanna go to fan and I turned out pretty well

 

[KenyaDoll]

Kenya I want to again point out that at the beginning of this debate I gave you an article that clearly explained why affirmative action is bad and I even quoted for you the highlights of the article. But instead of you actually debating the merits of the argument, you want to play games. "wheres the data wheres the data wheres the data" and then when I show you the data you play more games you say "ok show me data for every school in the world, then I'll believe you"

And you're a Harvard graduate WOW.

I am a Harvard doctoral student. I asked you for data to support your arguments. You gave me theories to support your argument. That's not the same. When you gave me data, I wanted to discuss the data. You still want to discuss theory and draw conclusions from the data that you simply cannot.

 

[KenyaDoll]

My point is that the picture you are trying to paint is invalid. You were trying to say that GPA and SAT shouldn't mean much because if it did, then we would see a bunch of asians at the school. That is what you were trying to say but of course you're in denial. You get in denial when I prove you wrong on every point.

I didn't say it shouldn't mean that much. Please quote me where I said that. I said that if test scores are the ONLY criteria that makes one person more qualified than another then Asians should be the MAJORITY in all prestigious schools.

 

[KenyaDoll]

im not sure if they are an actual majority but asians are the biggest group in the University of California system after they eliminated AA, and that is the way it should be, the people with the best scores and grades should get in, if we want more blacks in then black students need to study harder

I think they are the majority at most UC schools. This was from 2010 (I will try to find a more updated demographic profile), but they were the majority in all but two listed in this HuffPo profile:Racial Breakdown of the LARGEST California PUBLIC Colleges

I would never argue against the bolded. I simply would never say yeah...let's just do away with Affirmative Action all together.

 

[theworldismine13]

I didn't say it shouldn't mean that much. Please quote me where I said that. I said that if test scores are the ONLY criteria that makes one person more qualified than another then Asians should be the MAJORITY in all prestigious schools.

But all prestigious schools use aa, and the ones that don't like in the UC system Asians over represent, and that is the way it should be

 

[Black_Jesus]

You right but no need to shyt on Fam and bytches is what made me wanna go to fan and I turned out pretty well

Thats whats up... did you join a frat

 

[KenyaDoll]

But all prestigious schools use aa, and the ones that don't like in the UC system Asians over represent, and that is the way it should be

I am fine if you feel that way consistently for all racial groups, but what I find problematics is trying to single out Black people to say they don't belong when "unqualified" white students are the major group taking the place of these "more deserving" Asian students.

Talking about the "undeserving" students of all races.