What if Muskets and gunpowder were introduced to Africa first? CHANGE THE TIMELINE

[get these nets]

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nikkas don't like to admit it but the main reason for Africa getting taken over had little to do with being "outsmarted" but more so to do with black peoples hate for other black people surprassing their hate for others.

Pure plug bull.

The story about the Japanese and their leader's reaction to the Euro firearm has been discussed here before. With greater accuracy and context.

How Advance were African Civilizations before European Colonialism??

Not to mention they had horses, which are not indigenous to the Americas...or Africa for that matter. Africa got horses when the Hyksos captured Egypt around 1700 BC (the first time a foreign enemy ruled over them...it lasted for about a 100 years). Hyksos was the so called Ocean invaders...

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[Samori Toure]

So all Africans would have did with guns is expand slaving not self defence? Gotcha.

Yes.

West and Central Africans had plenty of guns and they used them to enslave more people. Some of you all are revising history, because White people did not come into Africa and start the slave trade. White purchased people that had been captured in warfare or who had been kidnapped by Black middlemen that had raided villages. Maybe you should read some of the slave narratives. They tell you how they were captured and ended up in the slave trade and the first thing that you realize is that our own dusty ass Black people were the enslavers.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Nothing would change. Africans had guns before colonialism. Nearly 20 million guns were imported to Africa in the 18th century during the slave trade. Rifles and muskets were simply not enough to take over the continent that's why Europeans stayed primarily on the African coast. It wasn't until the late 1800s with the invention of machine guns like the gatling and maxim guns that Europeans had the firepower to enter the interior and take over the continent. Not to mention the invention of quinine so Europeans wouldn't die of malaria.

I forgot about malaria

 

[010101]

bodies dropping from tribal disputes & competing empires*

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

You made this comment in a recent thread about a member returning from visiting his family in Nigeria.

Your exact comment "whites had muskets, Nigerians had arrows and spears"
I expected a Naija member to correct you.

Fact that you're rehashing the comment means that nobody pointed out to you why it was inaccurate.

@Raphaello posted the info in this thread. Though quinine was the more important development. Allowed Euros to survey the interior and draw up maps, which were recon missions for the plans that came into play when the continent was carved up.

Euro manufactured weapons were sold to the different ethnic groups for warfare against rival groups. Euros would sell weapons to both groups and had intricate reports on the nature of the conflicts. Which they would exploit and inflame for their benefit. Also, to be used later when they colonized the countries.

I meant no malice

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Alot of people don't know but, Portugal went into Japan and tried to enslave them before they tried to enslave Africans. Within a year or something the Japanese were able to mimic the guns the Portuguese had and they were shook and left. When they went into Africa they saw the "I got mine" attitude and started their conquest. If black people had guns first I still think we wouldve lost in the end.

nikkas don't like to admit it but the main reason for Africa getting taken over had little to do with being "outsmarted" but more so to do with black peoples hate for other black people surprassing their hate for others.

Yes they crucified like 26 Christian missionaries..

They were closed off until America showed up with a steel hulled ship.


Atleast that what I got from history class.

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

And no I ain't high

Europe had like what...200years to work on muskets and firearms before They began to colonize Africa.

What if the formula for gunpowder and the technology to create muskets was given to Africa from China first and they had a 50year headscarf with the gunpowder formula over Europe?


What would you go back in time to change?

Nice question. I wonder if this is another gap in history not taught. We know the Chinese invented the gun powder. Also, China and Africa has a very long history together. Africans may have been introducted to it but their motives probably were not the same as Europeans. Still your question makes an interesting conversation.

 

[Samori Toure]

Nothing would change. Africans had guns before colonialism. Nearly 20 million guns were imported to Africa in the 18th century during the slave trade. Rifles and muskets were simply not enough to take over the continent that's why Europeans stayed primarily on the African coast. It wasn't until the late 1800s with the invention of machine guns like the gatling and maxim guns that Europeans had the firepower to enter the interior and take over the continent. Not to mention the invention of quinine so Europeans wouldn't die of malaria.

Chloroquine is what allowed the Europeans to enter the interior. Once they they were able to offset malaria they were then able to move to the interior. The machine gun was a good tool to help them capture kingdoms, but by the time they invented that gun West Africa was already in total chaos due to hundreds of years of slave wars by Africans. So West Africa had already been destabilized by dusty nikkas who did not give a shyt about other people humanity, societies

 

[mykey]

With better defence from white invaders, Trade would have flourished more than ever before and increase in prosperity.

Remember Swahili kingdoms on the Indian ocean coast in East Africa traded for thousands of years with other Africans, Arabs, Chinese and Indians before Europeans came to the scene.

This is the prosperous city of Mombasa in 1572 (present day Kenya)

 

[Wubzy]

It wouldn't change anything. China was the largest empire in the world in economy and population and they still endured a century of humiliation

 

[Neuromancer]

There would be MORE enslaved Africans sold to Europeans and Arabs.​

I think people forget that African's didn't see race they saw clan and tribe.

 

[KamikazePilot]

Y’all have some fantasy view of africa that I’ll never understand

All that would’ve happened is more people being sold as slaves that’s it

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Yes.

West and Central Africans had plenty of guns and they used them to enslave more people. Some of you all are revising history, because White people did not come into Africa and start the slave trade. White purchased people that had been captured in warfare or who had been kidnapped by Black middlemen that had raided villages. Maybe you should read some of the slave narratives. They tell you how they were captured and ended up in the slave trade and the first thing that you realize is that our own dusty ass Black people were the enslavers.

i didn't revise anything. we had a hypothetical discussion

Africa is more than the places where some Black people sold slaves...much more in fact. that's the minority.

maybe you should read about places that didn't sell Black people because there's more of those. They wouldn't have magically started slaving if it wasn't in the culture

 

[get these nets]

I think people forget that African's didn't see race they saw clan and tribe.

Europeans waged wars amongst each other for centuries before, and centuries after the Portuguese made contact with the Africans they began trading with. Killing millions.
This was true even after the modern definition of race was adopted.

Competing groups have conflicts and wars over resources. Only on TLR do people apply different rules to continental Africans.

 

[Raphaello]

Chloroquine is what allowed the Europeans to enter the interior. Once they they were able to offset malaria they were then able to move to the interior. The machine gun was a good tool to help them capture kingdoms, but by the time they invented that gun West Africa was already in total chaos due to hundreds of years of slave wars by Africans. So West Africa had already been destabilized by dusty nikkas who did not give a shyt about other people humanity, societies

Chloroquine was invented in the 1930s. You mean quinine, it's less effective predecessor.