SkillClash
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Is their a Youtube video that recaps all the metal gear history? I got lost after MGS 2, I thought Big Boss was Solid Snake from MGS 2
What is Outer Heaven (Metal Gear Solid)?
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Brandeezy
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SkillClash
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I know breh
nah im just joking...i made that mistake....
just remember that Big Boss was the original (Metal Gear solid 3, Peace walker and now mgs 5)
solid snake was his clone, along with liquid and solidus...
solid snake was the protagonist of metal gear 1 and 4
Brandeezy
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So where is Snake from 2? Why are we playing as Big Boss?
SkillClash
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metal gear solid 2 you play as solid snake for 1 level, then you play as raiden for the whole game
Apollo Kid
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Is their a Youtube video that recaps all the metal gear history? I got lost after MGS 2, I thought Big Boss was Solid Snake from MGS 2
Check this Metal Gear Retrospective by Gametrailers... (This was done before the release of MGS4)
I can't remember, but i think he regards Solid Snake as a perfect soldier. A man who fights for his own himself (and his beliefs) and not just some government.
QuintessentialBM
GoldenAgeGamer82 - PSN ID
Watch all the videos from this series. It'll make more sense.
In fact, everyone that hasn't seen this series needs to watch it. It will explain the Philosopher's Legacy, the Patriots, Foxhound, Fox Die, ect.
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QuintessentialBM
GoldenAgeGamer82 - PSN ID
That is the $64,000 question. I don't think we find out until the Phantom Pain is released. There are conflicting stories about the timeline because Kojima kinda implied that MGSPO isn't apart of the storyline because he didn't direct it, but it kinda fits although the events are not recognized in MGSPW or MGS4. We'll have to wait to see how Kojima fills in the gaps(or fix the plotholes) between what's suppose to be the 70's-80's part of the timeline which includes Peace Walker and the beginning of the "Les Enfant Terribles"/Perfect Soldier Project.
This is the best explanation of Outer Heaven. I already knew this before reading this thread. I thought it was obvious to everyone following the Metal Gear series so far, but I guess it's easy to get lost in the confusing maze of plot, Kojima pulls out of his ass half the time.
yeah. It's a place for soldiers to go who don't want to die for a country that doesn't give a shyt about them and who don't want to wind up like homeless war veterans or victims of the latest VA scandal...
but who still want to be soldiers.
But you can't be a "soldier" in times of peace(I call this Heero Yuuy Syndrome) , so they sell themselves to the highest bidder.
Big Boss wanted to create a world where soldiers could thrive. Always fighting, always killing, always on the battlefield.
All the rest of that philosophical garbage that's thrown on top of it is really just shytty icing on a cake; him trying to rationalize and romanticize what he was really feeling.
And that's where the confusion sets in.
He wanted to create a state of perpetual war so he and people like him could always be on the battlefield.
The Boss wanted peace where everyone were equals.
The Patriots wanted to be the first amongst equals in times of peace.
Basically, Big Boss wanted to make a world where he could get away with shooting, killing and blowing up shyt when he wanted to, not when a country wanted him to.... where afterwards he'd be thrown in the bushes..
Outer Heaven is just the place he created where psychopaths, sociopaths and wolves (thin the herd, cull the weak) like him would go where they weren't bothered by pesky things like NATO rules.
tl;dr:
"I want to kill people and blow shyt up, but I don't want to be able to do it only when America says it's okay. Cause if I DID,do it whenever I wanted, they'd arrest my ass. Also, it sucks that us killing machines do what they tell us and then we're shytted on. It would be nice if nikkas like me had somewhere to chill out between killing folks.
hold the fukk on! let me throw some Nietzche, Descartes and existentialism on this so people don't think I'm a murdering psychopath!
But fukk what them weak citizens think OUTER HEAVEN 41 LYFE!!!!"
"I want to kill people and blow shyt up, but I don't want to be able to do it only when America says it's okay. Cause if I DID,do it whenever I wanted, they'd arrest my ass. Also, it sucks that us killing machines do what they tell us and then we're shytted on. It would be nice if nikkas like me had somewhere to chill out between killing folks.
hold the fukk on! let me throw some Nietzche, Descartes and existentialism on this so people don't think I'm a murdering psychopath!But fukk what them weak citizens think OUTER HEAVEN 41 LYFE!!!!"
So basically its a PMC for soldiers who still wanna be soldiers but fight on their own terms. A standing army with no nation to order them to fight that picks and chooses their own battles.
Perhaps because I'm not a soldier that idea sounds absurd. Who really wants to fight and die on a battlefield for the love of fighting and dying? Wars exist because of nations, ideologies, and religions.
QuintessentialBM
GoldenAgeGamer82 - PSN ID
You'll be surprised how many people get into the armed forces just for the chance to carry a gun and/or to be able to legally kill someone without reproach or consequence. Ideologies and politics be damned.
