What is the truth behind Africans selling other Africans into slavery ?

[BrothaZay]

I had a thought

This is now the white mans favorite talcn point

And it is true to a degreee however..

The white man came to African with fully equipped slave ships.. they were obviously leaving with something ? They didn’t travel by slave ship to a whole other world to take no for an answer.

Are we sure no Africans were taken by force ?

 

[Seoul Gleou]

Are we sure no Africans were taken by force ?

if you ever get a chance, go to Ghana and see for yourself.

the horrors of slavery have been sanitized by America's racist education system.

asking this question is proof. Many, many, many women and men were kidnapped and sold into slavery. It got so bad that in what is Nigeria today, kids couldn't go out and play because they would be kidnapped.
A lot died on the way to colonies, both willingly by suicide and through the dangerous journey.

this is probably the best work of fiction that accurately shows the through line from africa to america in terms of slavery and its descendants.

 

[BrothaZay]

if you ever get a chance, go to Ghana and see for yourself.

the horrors of slavery have been sanitized by America's racist education system.

asking this question is proof. Many, many, many women and men were kidnapped and sold into slavery. A lot died on the way to colonies, both willingly by suicide and through the dangerous journey.

this is probably the best work of fiction that accurately shows the through line from africa to america in terms of slavery and its descendants.

Taken by force by the white man not other Africans

 

[CopiousX]

Yes and no.

The kongo empire briefly specialized in selling inlanders. It was their biggest export. They also sold political prisoners and became good friends with the Portuguese aristocracy because of it.

Nigeria had a few moguls who specialized in selling inlanders and war captives.

But you also had cases in the sahel and east Africa where arabs would capture Africans and sell them to the Portuguese or french. This was a big issue when oman controlled the vast majority of east africa from somalia to mosambique. The morrocans also did raids in west africa and sold to the brits and french. This is a bit murky because white people werent the first people in the chain of custody of these enslaved people. But those people were taken by force by nonblack people.

The belgians kept slavery going deep into 1800s when Leopold took over congo and could freely create and take slaves on their own.

 

[desjardins]

Both.

POWs sold by Africans and rando's kidnapped directly by whites/arabs
WS use the "africans sold slaves" as a talking point for obvious reasons but people need to wrap their head around the fact there was no such thing as african solidarity. Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on earth. Dumbing black people involved down to "Africans" is an oversimplication that suggest they are supposed to give a fukk about people they had nothing in common with outside of skin color. Also helps to understand this was before the concept of "race" was well entrenched globally

 

[Seoul Gleou]

Taken by force by the white man not other Africans

1. Early Portuguese Raids (15th Century): When the Portuguese first began exploring the West African coast in the 15th century, they occasionally conducted raids to capture Africans. For example, in the 1440s, Portuguese explorers like Antão Gonçalves and Nuno Tristão raided coastal villages in present-day Mauritania and Senegal, kidnapping people to take back to Portugal as slaves. These early raids were small-scale and often met with resistance from local communities.
2. Kidnappings and Coastal Raids: In some cases, European traders or sailors kidnapped Africans directly, particularly in coastal areas. This was more common in the early stages of European contact with Africa, before the establishment of formal trading relationships with African elites. However, such direct kidnappings were risky and less efficient than relying on African intermediaries, so they were not the primary method of obtaining slaves.
3. Piracy and Privateering: European pirates and privateers sometimes attacked African coastal settlements or ships to capture people. For example, during the 16th and 17th centuries, European pirates operating along the West African coast occasionally seized Africans by force. These acts were often opportunistic and not part of the organized transatlantic slave trade.
4. Colonial Wars and Conflicts: In some regions, Europeans engaged in military campaigns or colonial wars that resulted in the capture of Africans. For example, during the colonization of Angola by the Portuguese, there were instances where Portuguese forces captured Africans during conflicts and enslaved them. Similarly, in the Cape Colony (modern-day South Africa), Dutch settlers sometimes captured Khoisan people during skirmishes and forced them into servitude.
5. Illegal Slave Trade and Abductions: Even after the abolition of the transatlantic slave trade by European powers in the 19th century, some European traders continued to engage in illegal slave trading. In these cases, they sometimes resorted to force or deception to capture Africans, particularly in regions where European colonial control was weak or nonexistent.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

I had a thought

This is now the white mans favorite talcn point

And it is true to a degreee however..

The white man came to African with fully equipped slave ships.. they were obviously leaving with something ? They didn’t travel by slave ship to a whole other world to take no for an answer.

Are we sure no Africans were taken by force ?

Some Africans were taken by force, particularly in what is now Senegal, Gambia, Angola, and DR Congo.

The Portuguese and other Europeans used to conduct raids.

https://novaresearch.unl.pt/en/publications/the-portuguese-slave-trade

Between 1441 and 1444, Portuguese navigators exploring the west coast of Africa captured the first contingents of Africans on the Mauritanian coast and subsequently shipped them to Portugal. Most of them were Muslim Berbers, but there were also individuals among them from sub-Saharan Africa who had been brought to the Barbary Coast by way of the caravan routes.

These first slave-raiding expeditions fueled a plan to divert one of the trans-Saharan routes to the coast, which the Portuguese successfully accomplished when trade relations with the Berbers became regular. They built a fortified outpost in the Bay of Arguin, in Mauritania, from where several thousand slaves were sent to Europe between 1448 and the early 16th century.

Google Scholar and history books are your friends!

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Africans didn’t sell Africans they sold Israelites.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

Christianity in Africa - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

"In the late 15th century, Portuguese traders and missionaries began arriving in West Africa, first in Guinea, Mauritania, the Gambia, Ghana, and Sierra Leone, then Nigeria and later in the Kingdom of Kongo, where they would find success in converting prominent local leaders to Catholicism."

Google Maps link: Elmina Castle, Ghana where enslaved Africans were kept under it’s Christian Church to be sold to the Americas

Black Christians will still play blind to these historical facts and evidence about our own history and do Olympic level mental gymnastics to cope, instead of acknowledging what they can see with their own eyes and actually PHYSICALLY touch with their own hands and feet today.

Ignoring the historical truths of our history like Massa wants

Just like we descent from Central and West Africa,
but they’ll point to Ethiopia which is located in East Africa,
to insinuate that Christianity ain’t inherently colonial.

Like it wasn’t brought there to Ethiopia by a non-Black Phoenician Christian missionary from Lebanon..

Africans were complicit, but Europeans and the colonial expansionist ideologies of Christianity were at the center of the trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.

And no, we not no COTDAMN Israelites.
We’re of Central and West African descent.

 

[Luke Cage]

I had a thought

This is now the white mans favorite talcn point

And it is true to a degreee however..

The white man came to African with fully equipped slave ships.. they were obviously leaving with something ? They didn’t travel by slave ship to a whole other world to take no for an answer.

Are we sure no Africans were taken by force ?

Its true but misleading. They were making unofficial deals with anybody in africa. People that had no rights to them.
Similiar to how they did with native americans and their treaties. If they leadership didn't accept the deal or refused. they would just go behind the leaderships back and make a deal with some random villager and call if official.
Thats the method white europeans used to buy african slaves. There were no african leaders or nations that agreed to selling its populatiion to them. They went and found some random group of smugglers offered them weapons or whatever in exchange for kidnap victims.

In order for us to truly say africans sold slaves, we must first establish 1) that they owned slaves. 2) that the ownership of slaves was independent from the sale of these slaves to europeans (if they are only doing because of europeans than europeans are still to blame). 3) that this was a sanctioned deal considered legal, and not some back alley deal with criminal elements in africa. (colluding with african crime syndicates also doesn't = Africa sold slaves. Just means europeans took advantage of african crime victims)

 

[010101]

exploitation of slave labor is a universal human evil*

 

[KidJSoul]

Both

Some were kidnapped

But others were legit sold. Some kingdoms legit had slavery be integral to their economy iirc

Africans did not see each other as one united race. Each tribe, region, etc. Were different peoples. Potential enemies, etc.

So they had no problem defeating other tribes, and selling their prisoners of war to Europeans

It's very similar to what happened in other countries Europe colonized. They took advantage of the lack of strong national identity and unity

 

[BaggerofTea]

The slave trade has been going on well before cacs touched down in Africa.


Europeans banned the slave trading of Christians around 1000 AD

Africans are still engaging in slave trading up until today.


Slavery is literally a societal self owning.

You destroy the human capital and chance of growth.


Imagine the countless African lives wasted because of slavery, both intraracial and interracial

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Look at this lying Europeon

 

[KamikazePilot]

Yes Africans sold each other anyone trying to deny it or sugarcoat it, is misrepresenting history do people actually think European were so smart and powerful that they could capture millions of Africans and take them to the Americas? The slave trade was very economically advantageous for a lot of African tribes and nations. In fact the slave trade still happens today and just it’s more contained in North Africa and the Middle East but most slaves are still West or East African, which is historically how slavery played out even before Europeans became trade partners. The Afro-arab slave trade is still happening and people are making money off of it.