What is up with this "SJW" thing? It's become beyond annoying.

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

What's this breh? I'm not in the US but interested in all this stuff because it's been adopted over here in Europe.

Red Pill is a community of men that started off in their perspective as developing strategies and and idealogies to counter the disadvantages men have in the dating/sexual dynamics in heterosexual relationships. A view that women have multiple advantages (female sexuality being more valued than male sexuality, greater access to potential sexual partners, social norms protecting women over men, etc). Red-Pill was an analogy taken from The Matrix movie that taking the Red-Pill awakens you to this reality out of the illusion men have been living under equal playing fields.

In it's initial incarnation, there actually are some practical beliefs and teachings they espouse, but there's a lot of toxic bullshyt as well based on half-baked unscientific theories. So it's not hard to see how a movement literally catering to sexual frustration attracts and evolved into a crowd of men that hate women, and eventually anybody that's not somebody that fits their ideal of a "real man" i.e. a straight white male.

 

[DEAD7]

you have white business partners

you incorporated with white guys

you put your financial trust and faith in cacs, like a marriage



it's the same game every week. don't have any lefty ideas, that's for cacs, here's five threads about iphones no one will read.

Deflection

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

gaslighting

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No lies told

Honestly, I think we can throw a sizable contingent of the online skeptic community in there too. Skeptics who became atheists just to be "edgy" and feel superior were successfully turned out by Sam Harris and other "New Atheists" to far-right/libertarian ideals.

YUP.

A lot of people I listened to for atheist debates like 4-5 years ago are major anti-SJW types

Only guys like Matt Dillahunty are remotely tolerable or admirable these days.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

you have white business partners

you incorporated with white guys

you put your financial trust and faith in cacs, like a marriage



it's the same game every week. don't have any lefty ideas, that's for cacs, here's five threads about iphones no one will read.

 

[Black Panther]

Deflection

Don't drive on public roads then, breh, white supremacists paved that

Best to let our roads and bridges crumble up and become completely useless so we can build better ones :trollbronshrug:

 

[Insensitive]

The SJW situation and it's backlash is a complex issue.

I'm for feminism but I'm against the third wave form of feminism or McFeminism.

I agree with rights for LGBTQ individuals but I don't like their equating of being a homosexual or lesbian with being black.

I agree with several aspects of social justice on the face but I'm also critical of the sub-culture that's formed around it.
There are aspects which can be as dumb as the alt-right.

With that said the Anti-Sjw rhetoric has existed for decades, it wasn't gamer gate that brought it about. Anyone who casually browses the internet knows while folks born in the 80's and on can and still do hold views very similar to their parents and grandparents.

 

[Maschine_Man]

personally I always thought there was a difference between a Social Justice "advocate" and a social justice "warrior"

The first being someone that stands up for real justice and equality while actively seeking to promote and do something about it.

whereas a social justice warrior was more someone that likes to jump on their soapbox and make false equivalencies, use weak arguments and tend to use more emotion than facts and completely avoid any real debate by shutting down the opposite side without hearing the retort. They also like to ride for something in order to fit in with a certain crowd, yet their only real advocacy comes in the form of online blabber and social media posting.

I always figured the term 'warrior" was used more tongue in cheek to make light of the fact that they really ain't shyt.

I could be wrong though

 

[DEAD7]

Don't drive on public roads then, breh, white supremacists paved that

Best to let our roads and bridges crumble up and become completely useless so we can build better ones :trollbronshrug:

Bad faith
I asked where your trust in cacs and American institutions comes from and what you find desirable about stability within an oppressive state...
Just say there is no basis for it, and you've drunk the sugarless Kool-Aid.


@ how many of the oppressed have been convinced that their salvation lies in working with their elected oppressors and strengthening the mechanism by which they are oppressed... you even attack those who suggest it isnt the way.

 

[Black Panther]

Bad faith
I asked where your trust in cacs and American institutions comes from and what you find desirable about stability within an oppressive state...
Just say there is no basis for it, and you've drunk the sugarless Kool-Aid.


@ how many of the oppressed have been convinced that their salvation lies in working with their elected oppressors and strengthening the mechanism by which they are oppressed... you even attack those who suggest it isnt the way.

I'll state the obvious point: there are good and trustworthy people who are white.

(I'm sure you believe that as well, or they wouldn't be your business partners.)

I don't view whites monolithically, nor do I assume that a person is a white supremacist because they're white.

Moreover, I don't have a zero-sum view of American politics.

We fundamentally disagree on whether there's anything worth salvaging from American government and society.

I believe there is. You don't.

But, at the same time, you're also suggesting (in bad faith, might I add) that holding this belief is somehow ignoring systemic oppression that Blacks have endured in this country since it's inception. You're also suggesting that I'm ignoring whites who enable white supremacists by advocating for the American system of government.

American governance isn't intrinsically oppressive, as you're suggesting.

It's oppressive when the oppressed do nothing about it.

 

[DEAD7]

American governance isn't intrinsically oppressive, as you're suggesting.

It's oppressive when the oppressed do nothing about it.

Where does this belief come from? What makes you say this isn't the case?
I believe it is and has done nothing but oppress people of color since its creation...



As to your other point, I believe there are good whites on an individual level(hence my partner, as well as a close friend)but once you gather them together and begin forming groups, that changes in my opinion... and a I believe as a group, American cacs are oppressive with DoS being their target of choice.

 

[Black Panther]

Where does this belief come from? What makes you say this isn't the case?

This has more to do with who's in power, not the laws themselves.

And if the laws themselves are unjust, then they should be changed. As they have been in many cases.

Seriously, it's not that hard.

I believe it is and has done nothing but oppress people of color since its creation...

Systematic racism and white nationalism is still a problem, but there's a stark difference between our problems now and our ancestors being thought of as inhuman property.

Equivocating these two things is dishonest.

 

[DEAD7]

Seriously, it's not that hard.

You said seriously, but you know you aren't being serious...
Getting racist out of govt. is colossal undertaking, and one I believe to be a fools errand.
Like I said, I believe "good whites" stop being "good whites" when they group.
I completely expect whichever group is in power to act in their own best interest, and have seen nothing anywhere that suggest this isnt the case.


Which is why, I prefer to diminish and limit their ability to oppress... which obviously limits their ability to help people Trade offs. You are just going the other way...

 

[Black Panther]

You said seriously, but you know you aren't being serious...

We're on different pages.

When I said "seriously", I was referring to what I was explaining before.

It's not that hard to understand the difference between laws and the people who wield them.

The 2nd amendment, for example, can mean something totally different depending on who's in power.

Getting racist out of govt. is colossal undertaking, and one I believe to be a fools errand.

Racists, or racism?

Systemic or individual?

These are important distinctions.

Which is why, I prefer to diminish and limit their ability to oppress...

That's what voting does

Especially on a local level

 

[DEAD7]

It's not that hard to understand the difference between laws and the people who wield them.


Systemic or individual?

These are important distinctions.

I see...
I concede that bad actors(racist) will always be present within the system(on both sides) to oppress people of color, and actively seek to diminish the system itself and the actors ability to oppress, you believe we can eliminate, or significantly reduce the oppression of the system by working with the good whites to weed out the bad ones...
Is that about right?