What is up with this "SJW" thing? It's become beyond annoying.

[Pure Water]

So a situation just raised where Trump called some Kurdish dude Mr. Kurd during a press conference. People are upset over it right now. Would you (the people critical of "SJWs") consider that an example of being a SJW or is the criticism warranted?

I just want to hear your opinions.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

So a situation just raised where Trump called some Kurdish dude Mr. Kurd during a press conference. People are upset over it right now. Would you (the people critical of "SJWs") consider that an example of being a SJW or is the criticism warranted?

I just want to hear your opinions.

I would say that's warranted criticism.

 

[NoMayo15]

So we have even more mods that think like this. Not surprised though. When is the staff going to clean out the trolls on this forum or are you guys agreeing with them most of the time?

What exactly is trollish about that comment? If you find the conversations in higher learning too upsetting, feel free to stay in the ladies room.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Oh really?



From the mouth of someone you consider somewhat of an authority ... the real genesis of this movement coincides with the creation of Trump as a political figure. GG was significant, but not THE genesis. So whose distorting whose words here..?

I honestly think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, but just for clarity here, I said you were distorting the point, not the words. (But now it appears you're doing both.)

But anyway, from the excerpt that YOU YOURSELF QUOTED, she says that "obviously there have been reactionaries online BEFORE Trump." (key word here being BEFORE)

She credits Trump with boosting the Alt-right into the mainstream AND notes Gamergate's significance in bringing together cross sections of these dipshyts that I described earlier in my first post on the first page.

If Gamergate occured before Trump, how is Trump the genesis of this movement? Neither she or I is dismissing Trump's role in the growth of the Alt-Right, and he's clearly of greater importance to their rise, status, and influence than Gamergate was. But they didn't start as a movement under Trump.

But as to leave zero room for ambiguity here, take this quote directly from her book "Kill All Normies"

Gamergate brought gamers, rightist chan culture, anti-feminism, and the online far right closer to mainstream discussion and it also politicized a broad group of young people, mostly boys, who organized tactics around the idea of fighting back against the culture war being waged by the political left"

Does that make where she stands on the timeline and significance of Gamergate to the Alt-Right clear enough for you?

 

[NoMayo15]

So a situation just raised where Trump called some Kurdish dude Mr. Kurd during a press conference. People are upset over it right now. Would you (the people critical of "SJWs") consider that an example of being a SJW or is the criticism warranted?

I just want to hear your opinions.

The problem with the term SJW is it's been expanded too broadly. So people with, say, legitimate concerns of racial inequity in the justice system get lumped in with people who self-identify as a house cat ... the right has been very good at muddying up the waters, and labeling these claims as equally crazy. The "liberalism is a mental disease" trope. Middle America sees the purple-haired, overweight college student screaming at the top of her lungs about being raped by patriarchy doesn't understand her and wants nothing to do her. Nuanced positions doesn't click with the average joe as much as emotional appeals. And as long as conservatives successfully frame this hypothetical woman's views and actions as equivalent to "the left", men like Trump will continue to gain and hold power.

That said, Trump makes gaffs (if you can call them that) like this on a daily basis, and of course he should be called out and ridiculed for them. The issue is that his devotees see this as a positive ... In their minds if he's angering people by being "non-PC", then he's doing what he ought to.

I honestly think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, but just for clarity here, I said you were distorting the point, not the words. (But now it appears you're doing both.)

But anyway, from the excerpt that YOU YOURSELF QUOTED, she says that "obviously there have been reactionaries online BEFORE Trump." (key word here being BEFORE)

She credits Trump with boosting the Alt-right into the mainstream AND notes Gamergate's significance in bringing together cross sections of these dipshyts that I described earlier in my first post on the first page.

If Gamergate occured before Trump, how is Trump the genesis of this movement? Neither she or I is dismissing Trump's role in the growth of the Alt-Right, and he's clearly of greater importance to their rise, status, and influence than Gamergate was. But they didn't start as a movement under Trump.

But as to leave zero room for ambiguity here, take this quote directly from her book "Kill All Normies"

Does that make where she stands on the timeline and significance of Gamergate to the Alt-Right clear enough for you?

Well, no, you said a different poster was distorting the point, but I digress.

Now, his entire point was that these online reactionaries didn't start with a relationship between Grayson & Quinn going public. I'd agree with that, and would say that these online alt-righters ... internet neo-nazis ... drudge report sycophants existed wayyyy before gamergate or Trump on the national stage. There have been disgusting racists on ***** for as long as their has been a ***** ... they just didn't have a name and weren't in the mainstream.

I never claimed Trump was the genesis of the movement, Angela Nagle did. The person you cited as some authority, though I'm not really sure who she is.

I haven't read this book but in regards to whom she most likely credits for the beginnings of the alt-right, I'll stick with an unambiguous quote where she essentially says "Trump was the 'Big Bang' moment for the alt-right". You don't get more direct than that.

I'm not even sure why we should care about where she stands in the first place. I just found it amusing that you cite this author as someone who claims gamergate was the real genesis of the alt-right, provided a link of her allegedly saying as much in an interview, but when investigated she never actually said what you claimed she says. In fact, when directly asked about the "real genesis", her immediate response is to point to some buffoon politician.

 

[GPBear]

Where do you visit on the internet that has tons of white supremacists and Nazi trolls? Me personally, I don't really come across them like that. So yeah, I'm going to keep calling people out who I come across.

Yeah, stupid, that's my point...

Instead of taking on the actual problems of society, you take the easy way out and just go around calling "SJWs" annoying, which accomplishes absolutely nothing. You're fighting for the nazi's side when you do that shyt, dummy. Meanwhile the country's being ran into the ground by white supremacists, so obviously what's pertinent in this day and age is to go after the people fighting for gender and sexual equality...

we don't believe you, you need more people

 

[Gains]

do you all really want to own soemthing that 4 chan racists came up with ?

 

[Maschine_Man]

do you all really want to own soemthing that 4 chan racists came up with ?

y'all really give ****** WAY to much credit and power for the shyt those trolls do.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Yeah, stupid, that's my point...

Instead of taking on the actual problems of society, you take the easy way out and just go around calling "SJWs" annoying, which accomplishes absolutely nothing. You're fighting for the nazi's side when you do that shyt, dummy. Meanwhile the country's being ran into the ground by white supremacists, so obviously what's pertinent in this day and age is to go after the people fighting for gender and sexual equality...

we don't believe you, you need more people

Who said I was trying to accomplish something besides accurately describing people who complain about the number of words a man says vs a woman in a movie trailer? Is that fighting for gender equality or a huge waste of time? I'm fighting for reason and logic. I don't think either of those are Nazi/white supremacists ideas. And no one is doing shyt to try and impress or convince you of anything.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

do you all really want to own soemthing that 4 chan racists came up with ?

Is it better or worse than words imperialists and slave owners came up with?
It's funny how people on the left are trying to censor other people. You guys sure you're lefties? Sensitive thugs you all need hugs.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

Plenty of progressives have been critical of SJW phemon: Camille Paglia, Jerry Seinfeld, and Bill Maher for example. Revolutions tend to eat their parents, so it's karma for the left.

jerry seinfeld aint a leftist

 

[AnonymityX1000]

jerry seinfeld aint a leftist

He's not a Progressive maybe. But there are plenty of liberals who believe in the US/Israel alliance. See Seinfeld, Maher, every Dem in Congress and Obama.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

He's not a Progressive maybe. But there are plenty of liberals who believe in the US/Israel alliance. See Seinfeld, Maher, every Dem in Congress and Obama.

yeah theres a difference between leftists and liberals.
and its not even so much him supporting israel, its that he went to a weird military spot where they simulate palestinian terrorist attacks. itd be like if you went to south africa during apartheid with armed white guys who ran you through a simulation of an anc bombing

 

[Skeptic]

So you don't think some right-wingers fall under the definition you posted?



And also, the rest of your post is odd. It reads like like something out of a comment section. It's like you halted our convo to go on a little lecture. Something is not right here...

Read @NoMayo15 's posts. He's a better writer than I am, and I generally agree with him.

 

[NoMayo15]

do you all really want to own soemthing that 4 chan racists came up with ?

Hm... I don't know, but it looks like Kaep has no problem reclaiming this term to be positive rather than a pejorative...