What people don’t understand about STL’s crime rate

[BrownBunny]

Because it has nothing to do with the crime stats. St Louis county is culturally St Louis. I get that, but every city has suburbs at function the same way. That doesn't make St Louis any different.

We had this discussion before.

I disagree

 

[KodeBlue]

I disagree

What part do you disagree with? It sounds like you're blaming crime on some shyt that happened long before the crime spiked. The boundaries of the city isn't the reason that the city is bad. The people who could afford to get out ... Got out. That happened in every major city in the Midwest and East Coast.

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

St Louis rough as hell. They done been had a Cali connection out there or something cause they been had real crip and blood sets. Smoking sherm popular I think cause my wild ass cousins tried to get me to do some when I was up there one day. Talking bout some, since we smoked some weed with you do some wet with us fukk no smh. They got the best fried rice too

 

[BrownBunny]

They got the best fried rice too

Did you try a St. Paul? It will change your life.

 

[Deezy314619]

The Lou just seems different though. It’s not “counties” it’s “county”. If you not on the north side, south side, or west side.... everything else is considered county. Be is Florissant or Ballwin.

I didn’t know that fact about Forest Park being designed by the same person who designed Central Park. That’s dope

 

[BrownBunny]

Must bring some comfort to people there living in perpetual fear..

Ain’t nobody living in perpetual fear. You sound like a Cac.

 

[KodeBlue]

I thought that cities and counties were seperated all over the country?

So St Louis should be all considered one under the county? I know Baltimore has some county thing going on where its like that. And NYC has their boroughs seperated into counties. But I thought every city and county were seperated.

Naw, most cities are withing counties.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

There’s nothing to understand.

St. Louis has the crime rate of a third world country and the parts of St. Louis that are bad look like areas that are completely wiped off the map.


Someone from St. Louis months ago showed a homicide map of St Louis and I remember commenting on how specific areas looked like war zones because of all the homicide locations piled up on top of eachother.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

It pains me when Black people repeat bullshyt from distorted and manipulated states.

St. Louis crime states are inflated brought on by the fact that St. Louis County and St. Louis city are counted separately.
There are only 300,000 people in the city while 1,000,000 live in the county. The county(where I live) separated from the city a few years back for incredibly racist reasons. This was done during White flight outside of STL city. It’s like if someone took Manhattan and a few other wealthy and middle class parts of New York and said it was its own city while Harlem and other poorer and working class neighborhoods were their own city.

If STL was like any other American city, the real population would be 1,300,000. When/if the city and county reunite again, we would drop out of the top 10 for crime states.

99% of cities in America count their county when producing homicide numbers so why should St. Louis?


St. Louis is a city that has city limits and all their murders are the murders that happen within the city limits.


That’s like a New Yorker getting upset that New Jersey and Long Island aren’t included in NYC murder total.

 

[BrownBunny]

there is no city in America that counts their county when producing homicide numbers so why should St. Louis?


St. Louis is a city that has city limits and all their murders are the murders that happen within the city limits.


That’s like a New Yorker getting upset that New Jersey and Long Island aren’t included in NYC murder total.

Incredibly stupid analogy. What part of “STL county has over twice the population of STL and is the same city in every single way that matters” don’t you understand?
Every city uses the total population of the city when measuring crimes per capita. There is no real distinction between STL county and STL like Long Island and New York but STL county is literally its own city. It greatly affects how crime is measured.
There are several articles you can find online that say the same thing I’m saying.

 

[BrownBunny]

There’s nothing to understand.

St. Louis has the crime rate of a third world country and the parts of St. Louis that are bad look like areas that are completely wiped off the map.


Someone from St. Louis months ago showed a homicide map of St Louis and I remember commenting on how specific areas looked like war zones because of all the homicide locations piled up on top of eachother.

You’re judging an entire city by a ghetto slum? Chicago is just the Southside and LA is just Oakland?

This is exactly what I’m talking about.
I grew up in the county but yet if I say I’m from STL, people think it’s like this.
The county has some of the wealthiest suburbs in the Midwest. I never lived around crime or decaying houses. The downtown area is incredibly safe and beautiful. We one of the greatest Universities, Hospitals, Art Museums, etc. in the country. Does that sound like a 3rd world place to you?

I’ve been to the Southside of Chicago for a volunteer project and it was far more terrifying than anything I’ve seen in St. Louis. Where did you even grow up?

 

[BrownBunny]

There’s nothing to understand.

St. Louis has the crime rate of a third world country and the parts of St. Louis that are bad look like areas that are completely wiped off the map.


Someone from St. Louis months ago showed a homicide map of St Louis and I remember commenting on how specific areas looked like war zones because of all the homicide locations piled up on top of eachother.

Among other things, Lauritsen and Rosefeld worry that St. Louis data is skewed from the outset, because of the way the St Louis region is set up. Rosenfeld told us:

"St. Louis is hurt in these kinds of rankings for reasons that have nothing to do with crime, but have everything to do with the configuration of our small central city of St. Louis in a large metropolitan area. St. Louis City encompasses 62 square miles and its population of roughly 350,000 is something like 12, 13% of the metro population. So if you compare St. Louis to a city like Memphis, Memphis comes out much better in these city rankings because Memphis encompasses over half of its metropolitan areas in the city."

Rosenfeld continued with the comparison saying it would be like if St. Louis included Brentwood, Richmond Heights, Clayton, and University City in its city limits, and therefore, in its crime data. "In fact," he added, " If you rank metro areas, St Louis comes in somewhere near number 150."

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Incredibly stupid analogy. What part of “STL county has over twice the population of STL and is the same city in every single way that matters” don’t you understand?
Every city uses the total population of the city when measuring crimes per capita. There is no real distinction between STL county and STL like Long Island and New York but STL county is literally its own city. It greatly affects how crime is measured.
There are several articles you can find online that say the same thing I’m saying.

I don’t care about what’s going on in the county. St. Louis is a city and it’s murder rate is reflective of what goes down in any land that is inside the city.

Also just to let you know. Suburbs outside of a city are nice in just about every city in America. Even Detroit which looks like a bomb hit it has extremely nice suburbs.


Suburbs weren’t built to be shytty for the most part. So of course the county areas outside of St. Louis look “nice”. I wouldn’t expect them not to.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

You’re judging an entire city by a ghetto slum? Chicago is just the Southside and LA is just Oakland?

This is exactly what I’m talking about.
I grew up in the county but yet if I say I’m from STL, people think it’s like this.
The county has some of the wealthiest suburbs in the Midwest. I never lived around crime or decaying houses. The downtown area is incredibly safe and beautiful. We one of the greatest Universities, Hospitals, Art Museums, etc. in the country. Does that sound like a 3rd world place to you?

I’ve been to the Southside of Chicago for a volunteer project and it was far more terrifying than anything I’ve seen in St. Louis. Where did you even grow up?

Actually no! I’m judging the entire city by a homicide map that was displayed here by a St. Louis poster. I believe the thread was based on an execution murder than happened in Puerto Rico.


Yes you lived in the county aka “suburbs”. Suburbs all over America are wealthy and nice. This isn’t specific to St. Louis. You can go to any run down city in America and the first thing you’ll notice is extremely nice suburbs when you leave.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Small city being in a large metropolitan area is not exclusive to St. Louis.