What Up Goodell.......OHH??.... WELL fukk YOU THEN PUNK! OFFICIAL 2020 49ERS SEASON THREAD!

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The irony is, Shanahan's offense literally works better with a mobile QB, yet he seems dead set on getting statues under-center. I'd been meaning to write up a whole post about how the hallmark of Shanahan's offense has actually been eliminating positions from offense. It's his whole philosophy. The WRs act like RBs, the RBs act like WRs, the FB no only exists on the team but gets more catches than touches, and need anything even be said about TE? The irony is, the coach has been almost adamant about having the exact wrong fit at QB for his offense.

Objectively, can anyone tell me that Cam Newton would not be a better QB in this offense than Garapollo? Anyone? Simply the threat of the QB tucking and running leading to a LB left on spy or to a momentary pause from the MLB just to watch is a step, maybe two, in favor of the offense. Who is going to overcommit to the rush knowing the QB might gash a run up the middle? But then how to you pay passively knowing Kittle might break a seam over the middle right over the top of the center zone, or Samuel/Aiyuk might take a three yard dump-off twenty, even thirty yards? Even a jab step after the snap before an outside handoff would make opposing teams crash the interior gaps and leave them out of position for outside zone runs.

It's... it's almost comedic exactly how asinine Shanahan's QB decision-making has been. It's like he doesn't want to be the very thing he's best suited to being. Like... maybe he designs his gameplan using his old skillset at QB and can't fathom how much is left on the table. Not just with how the league as a whole is going right now, but with how much better suited his offensive scheme is for someone with a skillset closer to a Daniel Jones than a CJ Beathard .

The team doesn't even need Lamar Jackson, either. I'm not saying go and get Teebo 2.0... I mean Taysom Hill or anything wild like that, but... it's all jokes and everything, but Colin would almost invariably be a better option.

And that's saying nothing on how a QB with mobility can freeze a defense in ways enough to help cover for an especially porous O-Line. And... that's pretty much going to become a necessity unless they can sort the line out somehow.

How ironic that the 49ers are literally a mobile QB and some RPO/Pistol plays away from potentially being offensively-capable enough to just turn games into shootouts and not needing to crutch on defense to stay in games, and Colin Kaepernick is just sat somewhere, probably putting vegan pomade in his hair and slowly forgetting the speed of the game..

Time is such a strange, fickle thing... how a matter of a couple years early or late and you can miss something perfect for you entirely because of things not aligning. Crazy.
 

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The irony is, Shanahan's offense literally works better with a mobile QB, yet he seems dead set on getting statues under-center. I'd been meaning to write up a whole post about how the hallmark of Shanahan's offense has actually been eliminating positions from offense. It's his whole philosophy. The WRs act like RBs, the RBs act like WRs, the FB no only exists on the team but gets more catches than touches, and need anything even be said about TE? The irony is, the coach has been almost adamant about having the exact wrong fit at QB for his offense.

Objectively, can anyone tell me that Cam Newton would not be a better QB in this offense than Garapollo? Anyone? Simply the threat of the QB tucking and running leading to a LB left on spy or to a momentary pause from the MLB just to watch is a step, maybe two, in favor of the offense. Who is going to overcommit to the rush knowing the QB might gash a run up the middle? But then how to you pay passively knowing Kittle might break a seam over the middle right over the top of the center zone, or Samuel/Aiyuk might take a three yard dump-off twenty, even thirty yards? Even a jab step after the snap before an outside handoff would make opposing teams crash the interior gaps and leave them out of position for outside zone runs.

It's... it's almost comedic exactly how asinine Shanahan's QB decision-making has been. It's like he doesn't want to be the very thing he's best suited to being. Like... maybe he designs his gameplan using his old skillset at QB and can't fathom how much is left on the table. Not just with how the league as a whole is going right now, but with how much better suited his offensive scheme is for someone with a skillset closer to a Daniel Jones than a CJ Beathard .

The team doesn't even need Lamar Jackson, either. I'm not saying go and get Teebo 2.0... I mean Taysom Hill or anything wild like that, but... it's all jokes and everything, but Colin would almost invariably be a better option.

And that's saying nothing on how a QB with mobility can freeze a defense in ways enough to help cover for an especially porous O-Line. And... that's pretty much going to become a necessity unless they can sort the line out somehow.

How ironic that the 49ers are literally a mobile QB and some RPO/Pistol plays away from potentially being offensively-capable enough to just turn games into shootouts and not needing to crutch on defense to stay in games, and Colin Kaepernick is just sat somewhere, probably putting vegan pomade in his hair and slowly forgetting the speed of the game..

Time is such a strange, fickle thing... how a matter of a couple years early or late and you can miss something perfect for you entirely because of things not aligning. Crazy.
you can see shannys stubbornness in him hanging on beathard when EVERYONE knows he aint shyt, even the dude himself
yet he is the #3 QB instead of some kid who can be groomed :snoop:

and yeah, Cam's short game and mobility would make him explosive af in this offense. him doing the same shyt hes doing in the pats offense...plus the threat of run in this outside zone is a huge headache for defenses.
 
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The irony is, Shanahan's offense literally works better with a mobile QB, yet he seems dead set on getting statues under-center. I'd been meaning to write up a whole post about how the hallmark of Shanahan's offense has actually been eliminating positions from offense. It's his whole philosophy. The WRs act like RBs, the RBs act like WRs, the FB no only exists on the team but gets more catches than touches, and need anything even be said about TE? The irony is, the coach has been almost adamant about having the exact wrong fit at QB for his offense.

Objectively, can anyone tell me that Cam Newton would not be a better QB in this offense than Garapollo? Anyone? Simply the threat of the QB tucking and running leading to a LB left on spy or to a momentary pause from the MLB just to watch is a step, maybe two, in favor of the offense. Who is going to overcommit to the rush knowing the QB might gash a run up the middle? But then how to you pay passively knowing Kittle might break a seam over the middle right over the top of the center zone, or Samuel/Aiyuk might take a three yard dump-off twenty, even thirty yards? Even a jab step after the snap before an outside handoff would make opposing teams crash the interior gaps and leave them out of position for outside zone runs.

It's... it's almost comedic exactly how asinine Shanahan's QB decision-making has been. It's like he doesn't want to be the very thing he's best suited to being. Like... maybe he designs his gameplan using his old skillset at QB and can't fathom how much is left on the table. Not just with how the league as a whole is going right now, but with how much better suited his offensive scheme is for someone with a skillset closer to a Daniel Jones than a CJ Beathard .

The team doesn't even need Lamar Jackson, either. I'm not saying go and get Teebo 2.0... I mean Taysom Hill or anything wild like that, but... it's all jokes and everything, but Colin would almost invariably be a better option.

And that's saying nothing on how a QB with mobility can freeze a defense in ways enough to help cover for an especially porous O-Line. And... that's pretty much going to become a necessity unless they can sort the line out somehow.

How ironic that the 49ers are literally a mobile QB and some RPO/Pistol plays away from potentially being offensively-capable enough to just turn games into shootouts and not needing to crutch on defense to stay in games, and Colin Kaepernick is just sat somewhere, probably putting vegan pomade in his hair and slowly forgetting the speed of the game..

Time is such a strange, fickle thing... how a matter of a couple years early or late and you can miss something perfect for you entirely because of things not aligning. Crazy.

If he has a QB that can improvise and can turn a broken play into a positive one he feels he won’t be seen as such an offensive genius. His style of QB and offense have to run the play perfectly.

I’d be interested to see the % of times that Jimmy audibles to a new play. It’s gotta be the lowest in the league for a “vet”.
 

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Landon P. asks: Do you think the organization has what it takes to rebound from this start? Not just this season but in the future as well? I know the circumstances are different, but it almost feels like ’14-’15 again. Rapid success, steep drop off. What is different this time around?

That’s the theme of my 49ers book that came out today: The 21st century has been all about impressive rises and dizzying descents for the 49ers. What’s different this time around? I know Jed York thinks the answer is the head coach-general manager relationship.

I watched Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch closely last week because I wanted to see whether one — or both — was studying Jimmy Garoppolo and his right ankle injury during the warm-up period of practice. They weren’t. They were doing what they normally do — sharing a long chat before the real portion of practice got underway. (In hindsight, maybe they should have been watching Garoppolo.)

These guys spend a lot of time together. That absolutely was not the case the last time the 49ers nearly reached the top, then slid to the bottom. This time there’s stability in the organization. Both Shanahan and Lynch are signed long term. That’s an excellent reason why the 49ers can right the ship if the seas continue to get choppy.

One concern: When you look at the teams that have been constant contenders this century, a theme starts to emerge. Most of them — the Patriots, the Saints, the Steelers, the Seahawks (more on them later) — have had stability both at head coach and quarterback. (The Ravens might be the exception.) The 49ers haven’t had any consistency at quarterback and, judging from this week’s questions, a lot of readers aren’t convinced they have the right answer there now.

Cristina A. asks: I know it’s very difficult to do so this year but can you tell the team dynamic is different this year to previous implosions? What can you tell is different? Is there grit or frustration that’s boiling over?

First, you’re right — taking the temperature of the locker room is going to be difficult/impossible this year because there’s no access to the locker room. Every season has its own distinct locker-room “vibe,” some more detectable than others. Last season’s was one of the most easily discernible since I’ve been covering the team. The 2019 49ers were fun, funny, open — there was a distinct sweetness from the players.

This year’s squad? It’s hard to tell. I will say one thing: Without Joe Staley and DeForest Buckner, heretofore two of the most prominent locker-room leaders, the guy who’s stepped forward in terms of being the voice of the team has been George Kittle. He’s been available, he’s been direct and his message has been clear — the leaders on the team, especially those in charge of operating the running game, haven’t been getting it done.

Doug T. asks: Can the 49ers give Joe Staley a call? Not to come back and play, but to be some form of special assistant and provide a bit of stability and encouragement? Also, Dan Quinn for special defensive assistant?

The one guy who came out of Sunday’s debacle looking good: Staley. The 49ers had communications breakdowns on three of their five sacks and of those three, two came from left tackle. I can say with certainty that wouldn’t have happened with Staley on hand.

As for Quinn, he’d be at the top of Shanahan’s — or any head coach’s — list if there’s a vacancy at defensive coordinator. But it’s becoming hard to envision the 49ers defense thriving and Robert Saleh getting a head-coaching job this season given all the injuries.

Kyan asks via Twitter: We’ve seen the 49ers defense struggle in three of four years with Saleh as the coordinator. This season can be chalked up to injuries, but should there be any concerns around Saleh and his ability to scheme, adjust, and grow as a coordinator?

I don’t think so. He’s evolved every season. The scheme the 49ers currently use is different than the one the 49ers employed in 2017. That is, he’s not a one-trick pony who wins one season and then spends the rest of his career trying to recreate that exact team.

Was his success last season largely due to exceptional personnel? Yes. Absolutely. But that’s true of any coach in any season. Most defenses will collapse with either a bad pass rush or weak secondary. The 49ers had both on Sunday.

Having said that, how did the 49ers arrive at starting Brian Allen at cornerback Sunday and, given that the Dolphins eyed Allen the way a hungry wolf looks at a wayward fawn, why didn’t Saleh and secondary coach Tony Oden (who was in Miami last year and ought to know Miami’s tendencies as well as anyone) give Allen more help? Those are questions to ask Saleh when he speaks on Thursday.

Tyler S. asks: Matt, am I crazy for slipping back into the 2018 49ers mindset? Let the 49ers develop youth but lose and get top picks. The Miami game about depleted any hope I had left for 2020. Too early to start looking at the quarterback prospects after seeing rookie quarterbacks really succeed this year?

Admission: For the first time this season, I took a really long look at Dane Brugler’s Top 50 prospects list. I didn’t so much as glance at that until late February last season. Still, it’s only mid-October, the 49ers are a game below .500 and I’m going to try to avoid shifting focus until Nov. 1.

As for quarterbacks, Shanahan has drafted exactly one — C.J. Beathard — in four years and I can’t remember him doing extensive homework on any of the top prospects. With Beathard and Nick Mullens both set to become free agents, the question is whether the 49ers will start looking for another No. 2-who-could-become-No. 1 guy in April. Two other big-ticket items bound to be on the agenda: edge rusher and cornerback.

Adam S. asks: Has Shanahan given reporters a sense of how he thinks the quarterback position is evolving? He did some good things with Robert Griffin III but has otherwise preferred traditional pocket QBs, a style that isn’t thriving in today’s NFL.

It’s a fantastic question. When he first got the job in 2017, Colin Kaepernick still was on the roster. The scuttlebutt at the time was that there was no way Shanahan was going to retain Kaepernick because his experience with Griffin was so wrenching.

But you’re right, the most dangerous quarterbacks in the league are the ones who can gouge defenses with 35-yard runs on one play, then throw across their bodies for broken-play touchdowns on the next. It’s entirely counter to the types of quarterbacks Shanahan has brought in since 2017.

I don’t know if his stance has changed or will change by the time the draft rolls around. It’s a very good question.

Rob W. asks: Given the amount of injuries this year, do the 49ers look to bring in outside help via trades? Or are they more likely to save the assets and focus their energy on next year when they are hopefully healthier?

They were buyers last year because Shanahan thought he had an excellent team that was incomplete at wide receiver. I doubt he’s thinking along those lines this year. The 49ers will be sellers. I’ve got to imagine Dante Pettis is available. Tom Compton can be acquired for half a hotdog bun. If the 49ers weren’t so depleted at cornerback, Ahkello Witherspoon would be available, too.

Mohammad R. asks: Is this athletic training staff on the hot seat? I mean, the amount of soft tissue injuries are insane. (Discounting the ACL tears which are not preventable.)

I never bought into the notion that the former staff was responsible for the team’s injury issues or that a new one could — voila! — suddenly make the 49ers healthy again. The main element at play is luck.

I’m sure the new group came in with a bunch of pie charts and advanced analytics that impressed a 49ers team desperate to hear how their injury problems could be fixed. Whatever the pitch was, it’s clear the approach isn’t working. The 49ers lead the league in players on injured reserve and have had numerous “setbacks” in players’ recoveries in the last two seasons.

I’d love to be able to tell you what the new group’s approach has been. But the team’s head of player health and performance, Ben Peterson, has declined interview requests. They also are loath to share any information. Trent Williams makes blocks 30 yards downfield — exactly how fast was he running? Sorry, we can’t tell you. Deebo Samuel stayed in shape through a foot injury by using a trampoline? That’s a great story! Sorry, we can’t help you.

Is the new group on the hot seat? Probably not. It just arrived. But it’s clear the injury issues haven’t gone away — and probably have been worse — since that group got here.

Lorenzo M. asks: With the schedule getting harder and the 49ers defense in shambles, what adjustments can be made? How can they hide having three practice squad corners starting and no pass rush?

You cover up the mess on defense with a good offense. Look at the Seahawks. They haven’t had a dominant defense in years. In 2017, they ranked 11th, in 2018 it was 16th and last year that group dropped to 26th. This year, the Seahawks have the NFL’s worst defense in terms of yards allowed yet are undefeated.

How do they do it? Answer rhymes with Muscle Billson.

Mario M. asks: Do you think Colton McKivitz gets a shot to show if he can improve the offensive line?

Well, Daniel Brunskill probably had his best game of the season against the Dolphins. The offensive line certainly had issues, but right guard wasn’t the weak link.

Having said that, McKivitz likely will be someone the 49ers want to see if the season continues on its downward trajectory. Given their free-agency situation at cornerback, I’d think they’d also like to look at cornerback Tim Harris, who’s currently healthy and on the practice squad. And maybe they’d like to see what Kevin White can do on offense? He has not come close to fulfilling the promise of a No. 7 overall draft pick thus far in his career, but his combination of size, speed and run-after-catch ability seem to mesh very well with the 49ers’ offense.

Jeff S. asks: What’s the long-term plan for Tarvarius Moore? Option to replace Jaquiski Tartt if he leaves? A nickel free safety while Jimmie Ward drops down to the slot (if K’Waun Williams leaves via free agency)? It seems like in year four they’d want to find out exactly what they have in him.

Two responses: One, I feel like Moore is the best player on the 53-man roster who’s not currently starting or in a key role on offense or defense. He’s obviously more confident than he was in his previous two seasons. It’s visible. He simply catches your eye more in practice and in games than he did previously.

I don’t know what the long-term plan is for him and I’m not sure there is one at the moment. Given his elite speed, his best position — and the one where he’s currently the primary backup — is free safety. Ward, however, is signed through 2022.

Your strong safety suggestion is interesting. As of now, Marcell Harris would step in there if Tartt had to step out. If Tartt moves on in free agency? Moore has the right length for the position. He’s 6-2 with 33 1/8-inch arms, which is perfect for matching up against tight ends and big slot receivers.

Moore entered the NFL weighing 190 pounds. He’s now up to 200 pounds. Strong safeties usually are bigger than that because they play closer to the line of scrimmage and have to hold up against the run. Being a bulky strong safety, however, probably isn’t as important as it once was considering how pass-oriented the league is becoming.

Having said all that, Moore does have an important role this season. Remember how Raheem Mostert used to be the 49ers’ special-teams ace? Well, Mostert has played zero snaps on special teams. Moore has taken over his role as top gunner and special-teams stalwart. He leads the 49ers in special-teams snaps.

Michael H. asks via Twitter: Why bring in and then start a practice squad cornerback instead of getting Tarvarius Moore on the field in some capacity? Seems like you’d want your best 11 on the field.

Moore has spent the last two seasons playing safety. He — and Ward — could be used at cornerback in a pinch, but it would have been hard to ask them to play a full game at a different position.
 

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If he has a QB that can improvise and can turn a broken play into a positive one he feels he won’t be seen as such an offensive genius. His style of QB and offense have to run the play perfectly.

I’d be interested to see the % of times that Jimmy audibles to a new play. It’s gotta be the lowest in the league for a “vet”.
Shanahan doesn't let his qbs audible much. It's documented Matt Ryan had very little power to audible compared to other systems he was in, and other qbs.


And Matt Ryan was a much more established qb than Jimmy
 

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I missed the whole convo but Kap had a lot of people riding for him and even Alex Smith got year after year of do-overs, which he deserved admittedly because we kept switching OCs but still we gotta give Jimmy a little more slack. If he can grow back his balls and get his mobility up to 2017 levels then we’re good to go.

also I love Kap but I saw someone saying he’s the 3rd greatest niner QB like Jeff Garcia didn’t exist. Garcia would beast in Shanahans offense.
 
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