what would a top 5 list in 1994 look like?

[bigbadbossup2012]

youre confusing the impact of pac's singles with the impact of his actual album.
singles artists don't crack the top 10. let alone top 5.

illmatic set the tone for the new era of emceeing,

Wrong,you're confusing east coast media creations with actual facts.
What did nas do as an mc that wasnt already being done?


Pac had nikkas blasting pigs off his first album.
MUSIC TO KILL COPS BY? RAP SONG BLAMED IN TEXAS TROOPER'S DEATH

I rememeber a whole bus of black boys (and girls) reciting VIOLENT word for word (in 1995).Also had the vice president mentioning him.

Quayle Calls for Pulling Rap Album Tied to Murder Case

nikkas have redone soluja story off his first album. I remember nikkas bringing S4MN to school soon as it dropped and what it meant. Also it's a fact that it sold faster than illmatic.

Lmao at pac being a "singles artist"

How old were you when his first album dropped,7?
gtfoh lil nikka

 

[Wacky D]

@smokeurobinson

how can you say that nobody talked about ghostwriters back then?

dr dre was technically the 2nd biggest rapper in the world at the time. DR DRE.

eazy-e introduced bg knoccout & gangsta dresta on ABC primetime televisions as rappers AND WRITERS.

Pac was not some singles artist and in '94, both Pac albums were a bigger deal than Illmatic. Illmatic being the template that ot is came later. This wasn't the standard for emceeing in '94. That album was just being released. Meanwhile, Pac's albums are a part of a public cd smashing campaign, members of Congress are denouncing his music, and this wasn't the singles they were denouncing because some of them were tame in comparison to what the rest of the respective albuns offered. By the time Nas even drops Illmatic, Pac was already moving culture. Snoop was already moving culture.

I don't know why people want to astroturf pac's status pre-95 all a sudden. something tells me that by the end of the year, I'm not even gonna like 2pac anymore.

nobody is denying that 2pac was a bigger name commercially. 2pac was a household name already. BUT yall are forgetting that 2pac was way more than just a rapper.
he was more known for acting & getting arrested than he was for his music at this time. so of course when youre a known actor/figure and you make an album called "strictly for my N.I.G.G.A.Z." in the middle of the gangsta rap backlash, of course your album is gonna be front & center. LOL. I guess we're gonna act like ice t was still a top rapper in 1994 as well, seeing that the backlash for his music made more headlines than pac.

and then when it came to pac's music, he was indeed a singles artist. he had two big singles that pushed his album to plat(which stopped him from quitting rap), but his album wasn't a standout.

and sure, 2pac was more popular with most of the kids in my school, who just knew the mainstream chit. but when it came to the more knowledgable crowds, 2pac album was not poppin like that. it was all about the singles and the mc breed joint. classic singles run tho. peep the sig.

Lmao at pac being a "singles artist"

How old were you when his first album dropped,7?
gtfoh lil nikka

watch your mouth.​

 

[BmoreGorilla]

How can you say "RIP" after that bullshyt.

You all really do piss me off with your fake sympathy. Bullshyt. Stop acting like you truly give a shyt. That's about the only shyt I can't stand from y'all.

 

[Jinx`]

I'm not mad but this is why y'all can't succeed, cuz y'all conform to what everyone else always says around you.

One person says "RIP"

All y'all dummies wanna day "RIP" like it's a fukking slogan. I swear the Catholic white man won over most of y'all... Mindlessly repeating his shyt lol..

No, I just feel pity.



"So what you rep dun?"

"I rep Catholicism. The white man.

On some "Rest In Peace" and fukk Left Eye's Fans."






Goofy ass







And MC Lyte still ain't write her rhymes

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I don't know why people want to astroturf pac's status pre-95 all a sudden. something tells me that by the end of the year, I'm not even gonna like 2pac anymore.

nobody is denying that 2pac was a bigger name commercially. 2pac was a household name already. BUT yall are forgetting that 2pac was way more than just a rapper.
he was more known for acting & getting arrested than he was for his music at this time. so of course when youre a known actor/figure and you make an album called "strictly for my N.I.G.G.A.Z." in the middle of the gangsta rap backlash, of course your album is gonna be front & center. LOL. I guess we're gonna act like ice t was still a top rapper in 1994 as well, seeing that the backlash for his music made more headlines than pac.

and then when it came to pac's music, he was indeed a singles artist. he had two big singles that pushed his album to plat(which stopped him from quitting rap), but his album wasn't a standout.

and sure, 2pac was more popular with most of the kids in my school, who just knew the mainstream chit. but when it came to the more knowledgable crowds, 2pac album was not poppin like that. it was all about the singles and the mc breed joint. classic singles run tho. peep the sig.

watch your mouth.​

Stop making excuses you silly ass nikka. Was tupac's albums the running the game,naw.
But they were getting burn on the streets. But you were just learning to write cursive when pac came out so you're ignorance doesnt surprise me.
To say someone is a "singles artist" is the same as saying only their singles were popping,which is a blatant lie.

But you were a lil ass kid anyway,fronting like you knew what was going on outside of what was on tv. Stay in your lane. You was a lil ass boy back then. Stop putting extras on your hiphop experience cause you're just fronting clear as day.
LMAO,no nikka whom was really of age would be talking such nonsense. nikkas love pretending they know hiphop then say a bunch of stupid shyt exposing themselves.

I asked this clown what Nas did that was new and he has no answer cause he's just reading a script that isnt backed by any real knowledge or game.

Aside from east coast media TELLING you illmatic was a big deal,what evidence do you have that nas set some type of standard? YOU DONT HAVE ONE

What was new about his style,nothing
not the vocals,rhyme schemes,creativity ,nothing.

It's all a myth,you'd know that if you wansnt reading off a script and actually knew your history.


This is most of 2pac's legacy from the time he got signed through 94'
Lmao,at nas making a better argument than pac in 1994.
nikka please. Cause of illmatic,that's it?
gtfoh


2Pac - 2Pacalypse Now (1992) BUY NOW!
Track Lyrics
1 Young Black Male
2 Trapped
3 Soulja's Story
4 I Don't Give a fukk
5 Violent
6 Words of Wisdom
7 Something Wicked
8 Crooked Ass nikka
9 If My Homie Calls
10 Brenda's Got a Baby
11 Tha Lunatic
12 Rebel of the Underground
13 Part Time Mutha
BUY NOW!
Track Lyrics
1 Holler if Ya Hear Me
2 Pac's Theme (Interlude)
3 Point the Finga
4 Something 2 Die 4 (Interlude)
5 Last Wordz
6 Souljah's Revenge
7 Peep Game
8 Strugglin'
9 Guess Who's Back
10 Representin '93
11 Keep Ya Head Up
12 Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.
13 The Streetz R Deathrow
14 I Get Around
15 Papa'z Song
16 5 Deadly Venomz
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Track Lyrics
1 Bury Me a G
2 Don't Get it Twisted
3 shyt Don't Stop
4 Pour Out a Little Liquor
5 Stay True
6 How Long Will They Mourn Me?
7 Under Pressure
8 Street Fame
9 Cradle to the Grave
10 Str8 Ballin'

Loyal to the Game Above the Rim Soundtrack
Pain Above the Rim Soundtrack

Call It What U Want Above the Law

Same Song Digital Underground
The Way We Swing (Remix) Digital Underground
Wassup Wit' the Love Digital Underground

Gaffled Like That The Govenor

Gotta Get Mine MC Breed

Jealous Got Me Strapped Spice 1

 

[JustCKing]

@smokeurobinson

how can you say that nobody talked about ghostwriters back then?

dr dre was technically the 2nd biggest rapper in the world at the time. DR DRE.

eazy-e introduced bg knoccout & gangsta dresta on ABC primetime televisions as rappers AND WRITERS.





I don't know why people want to astroturf pac's status pre-95 all a sudden. something tells me that by the end of the year, I'm not even gonna like 2pac anymore.

nobody is denying that 2pac was a bigger name commercially. 2pac was a household name already. BUT yall are forgetting that 2pac was way more than just a rapper.
he was more known for acting & getting arrested than he was for his music at this time. so of course when youre a known actor/figure and you make an album called "strictly for my N.I.G.G.A.Z." in the middle of the gangsta rap backlash, of course your album is gonna be front & center. LOL. I guess we're gonna act like ice t was still a top rapper in 1994 as well, seeing that the backlash for his music made more headlines than pac.

and then when it came to pac's music, he was indeed a singles artist. he had two big singles that pushed his album to plat(which stopped him from quitting rap), but his album wasn't a standout.

and sure, 2pac was more popular with most of the kids in my school, who just knew the mainstream chit. but when it came to the more knowledgable crowds, 2pac album was not poppin like that. it was all about the singles and the mc breed joint. classic singles run tho. peep the sig.

watch your mouth.​

You can't write off Pac as a singles artist and then big up Illmatic in 1994. If Pac was a singles artist, what does that make Nas.

Yes, Pac was an actor, but those movies weren't what had Dan Quayle shook. It was the music. Thug Life became a mantra. Pac had albums that made an impact. Nobody's saying that they were mega successes, but to say Illmatic was more important in 1994 is a lie. That album didn't impact until later.

With Pac, it wasn't just the backlash, it was songs like "Brenda's Got A Baby" and "Keep Ya Head Up". Songs that were more than just singles. In 1994, a singles artist is someone like Domino.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

You can't write off Pac as a singles artist and then big up Illmatic in 1994. If Pac was a singles artist, what does that make Nas.

Yes, Pac was an actor, but those movies weren't what had Dan Quayle shook. It was the music. Thug Life became a mantra. Pac had albums that made an impact. Nobody's saying that they were mega successes, but to say Illmatic was more important in 1994 is a lie. That album didn't impact until later.

With Pac, it wasn't just the backlash, it was songs like "Brenda's Got A Baby" and "Keep Ya Head Up". Songs that were more than just singles. In 1994, a singles artist is someone like Domino.

His album was dope and we were bumping it.
But yea he is only KNOWN for his singles

 

[Jinx`]

honestly I think it's awkward to call her "Lisa", unless she was your personal friend or family

Come to think of it.. This is also why most of y'all grown men are getting bytched nowadays

Be afraid to call a grown woman her name brehs. Call it "awkward" brehs.

What ever happened to real nikkas. Wayyy too many fake, whipped ass nikkas here going by this thread.. Can't even call a woman her damn name fukk outta here with that bullshyt

 

[JustCKing]

In regard to Snoop, he really had artists basing their style on his. Da Brat debuted in 1994 and was basically a Snoop clone. Snoop changed the game.

 

[JYoung24]

Lyte wasn't even the best female MC in 94...

And not as a Left Eye fan am I saying this ...Rage had her...Brat had her.. Lyte obviously didn't even write her shyt

It's not about that Pac/Nas/Big I was making a point cuz.. These dudes had classic albums by 94 and you put Lyte and Latifah of all people above them

Maybe 93 into 94 OK. But after they all got their exposure?

BUT if that's what yall were thinking that Latifah and Lyte were top 10 MCs it's good


Edit: Let me clarify cuz Ima catch heat..

I'm not trying to say Pac/Nas/Big gotta be that high up there... But if you're going to call out Tupac specifically there shouldn't be names like "Lyte" or especially "Latifah" in that list imo because I never thought Lyte wrote her shyt or was that exceptional to be a top 5 MC ever. And Latifah had even less going for her

They had influence true but not the whole package like many others at that time

Rage was still new in 94 though lyte was a vetern by then the op is talking about who was considered the goat in 94 not whos the hottest

 

[JYoung24]

Don't start that shyt. If you're seriously trying to tell me MC Lyte was bigger than TLC in 94, I rest my case with this thread b.

Tlc were new in 1994 they only had two albums out and lyte was defiantly in peoples top 5 mcs of all time back then

 

[Jinx`]

Rage was still new in 94 though lyte was a vetern by then the op is talking about who was considered the goat in 94 not whos the hottest

Rage had some verses by then but I can see what you're gettin at..

But he's saying more just what you'd expect from a list back then. Like if you asked a random kid off the street.. Not every list was gonna be the same nationwide

Tlc were new in 1994 they only had two albums out and lyte was defiantly in peoples top 5 mcs of all time back then

TLC topped the charts in 91 breh

 

[JYoung24]

am i missing something here? cuz half of these names were either washed or on the verge of being washed by '94.

or are we talking all-time?? if so, rakim & kane shouldn't be the oldest rappers on your lists. I remember names like melle mel, caz, moe dee, run dmc, LL cool j being thrown around as the greatest. these guys weren't brushed under the rug quite yet. the newer fans weren't running the asylum.

Yea hes talking about all time so ir right it would have to be 80's rappers

 

[JYoung24]

Rage had some verses by then but I can see what you're gettin at..

But he's saying more just what you'd expect from a list back then. Like if you asked a random kid off the street.. Not every list was gonna be the same nationwide


TLC topped the charts in 91 breh

Thats only 3 years tho lyte been around since the 80's

 

[Jinx`]

Thats only 3 years tho lyte been around since the 80's

And Lisa was doing infinitely better nationwide.

Why yall act like only suburban whites and bougie black women listened to them