what would Magic Johnson stats look like I'm 2018?

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There are less fouls called today than there were in the 80s. Even when you adjust for pace, it's still quite a bit lower. Free throw rate has been at historic lows in the current era.

It was those first few seasons after they got rid of hand checking where the fouls were out of control. Refs were still adjusting.
I wish people knew this. Right now teams are averaging 19.9 fouls per game. Let's use 85 for comparison, teams averaged 25.2 fouls per game that year. Teams averaged 30.3 FTA per game in 85, in 2018 they average 21.8. Facts do always get in the way of narratives.
 

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I wish people knew this. Right now teams are averaging 19.9 fouls per game. Let's use 85 for comparison, teams averaged 25.2 fouls per game that year. Teams averaged 30.3 FTA per game in 85, in 2018 they average 21.8. Facts do always get in the way of narratives.

when your shooting 40 3s a game you shouldn't shoot many free throws. more 3's equals less rim attacks which equals less fouls.
 

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when your shooting 40 3s a game you shouldn't shoot many free throws. more 3's equals less rim attacks which equals less fouls.
Teams attack the rim just as much. They just don't stop and shoot as many mid range shots. Basically, replace the mid range shots taken in the 80s with the 3 pointers of today, and it's practically the same shots to the rim. The game today is layups/dunks and 3's, so they definitely go to the rim as often.
 

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22 12 and 8 is about what Magic would be getting at his best I believe

Magic scoring numbers would probably be higher. He played with Kareem, Worthy etc... He didnt need to score like that. Id give him 28 per game with ease.
 

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Teams attack the rim just as much. They just don't stop and shoot as many mid range shots. Basically, replace the mid range shots taken in the 80s with the 3 pointers of today, and it's practically the same shots to the rim. The game today is layups/dunks and 3's, so they definitely go to the rim as often.

people are playing tighter defense on you the closer you're to the basket so you have the ability to draw more fouls. Also more post ups back then lead to more fouls as well.
 

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Bird is definitely not overrated you sound crazy. Neither is magic. Both are the 3rd and 4th greatest players to play respectively.
:laff::laff::laff: Man stfu you stay saying dumb shyt top 4 gtfo nikka. You watched a couple of your dads VHS tapes and looked up some numbers and think you know what your talking about when you don’t know shyt
 

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:laff::laff::laff: Man stfu you stay saying dumb shyt top 4 gtfo nikka. You watched a couple of your dads VHS tapes and looked up some numbers and think you know what your talking about when you don’t know shyt


Lol fukk outta here with this nonsense. You dont watch games.
 

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You sound crazy as hell Bird and Kobe are both way more overrated just off the top of my head, unless you don’t consider them to be part of that “pantheon”. I would include Wilt too.
I have Bird over Magic. In his era Bird was a far better shooter he was a better halfcourt scorer, he was as good in the post as Magic, he was damn near as good a passer as Magic and would have put up 10+ assists per game in that era if allowed to run the point.

If there was a draft tomorrow every player in NBA history fresh out of school there is no way in hell I'm choosing Magic over Wilt Chamberlain, a 7'1 athletic freak who could be utterly dominant on both sides of the floor. If you follow narratives and say bu bu but Magic has 5 rings, that's the only way anyone in their right mind would believe Magic was a better player than Wilt Chamberlain.
 

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How old are some of you posters?:hhh:
It doesn't matter how old I am, most of you nikkas aren't old enough y'all damn selves to be cognitive when Magic was in his prime, this was damn near 30 years ago.

Ben Simmons is the modern day Magic, there's nothing crazy about that statement. If you compare them at the same stage of development they have the same strengths and weaknesses. Ben is just a lot more athletic and like I said a more advanced ball handler. They both have transcendent All-Time court vision, they both came into the league as weak shooters although Magic was better early on, they were both iffy in the halfcourt as scorers (Magic rarely used his left hand for anything), they both struggled going left, and they were both the tallest PG's of their era with Ben at 6'10 and Magic at 6'9.

If you don't watch Ben Simmons in the open floor and see these ridiculous passes he throws, and think Magic something is wrong with you. Ben just joined Magic and Big O as one of three players with 1,000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists in their rookie years.
 
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Some things in this thread don't make sense to me :patrice:
One one side, some of yall are having Magic averaging better numbers than he ever did despite pacing being lower than the 80s :dahell:
On the other side, some of yall are talkin about him being a Point Forward and not a PG today despite Ben Simmons being a PG? :dahell:
There were questions of whether Ben Simmons would play PG in the NBA. NBA teams are weary of players that tall having the lateral quickness to defend PG's at the next level, also players that tall have a higher dribble which could lead to TO's. It's why Giannis doesn't play PG.

If scouts were hesitant about Simmons playing PG in the NBA what do you think they would say about Magic? Simmons is far faster in the open floor, laterally quicker, and has a lot more bounce. Simmons has been an elite defender in his rookie season he proved people wrong. Magic is a lot more doughy he probably played much of his prime at over 10% body fat and was an average at best athlete in his time.

Magic is doing NONE of this...
 
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