chunky_mcdaniels
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If we are being honest though, any champion who jumps up weight classes is on PEDS, and I hate on Canelo on a good day. That's just what it is. You didn't see Bud's overt sweating at Keyshawn Davis weigh in backstage?
What's Canelo's legacy?
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knocked amir khan out after khan getting knocked out multiple times prior.
and has ginger pubes.
you're downplaying Bud by saying shyt like this.
Canelo beat some older HOFs, the GGG and Jacobs wins, and his Undisputed Run is enough for a first ballot HOF nod + Top 3 Mexican of all time which IMO = All Time Great
Thatrogueassdiaz
We're on the blood path now
Misunderstood?
A great fighter.
I’m a big fan of Floyd and can argue that he’s the best and he’s in my top 3 favorite fighters but I feel like he really capitalized and pushed the narrative the most about fighters having to be undefeated or the best ever etc.
Canelo has had a really great career, didn’t duck anyone of note, has made a lot of money, and is incredibly skilled. I think that’s a really good legacy
I’m a big fan of Floyd and can argue that he’s the best and he’s in my top 3 favorite fighters but I feel like he really capitalized and pushed the narrative the most about fighters having to be undefeated or the best ever etc.
Canelo has had a really great career, didn’t duck anyone of note, has made a lot of money, and is incredibly skilled. I think that’s a really good legacy
KFBF
Superstar
What if he beats him?
So, he did duck people, they just weren't of note?
Not that I can think of really. I’m not really the coli argument guy. If you’re looking for a gotcha moment maybe you got me, I was just saying he’s not known for dodging fights
KFBF
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Nah, I was just trying to understand your point.Not that I can think of really. I’m not really the coli argument guy. If you’re looking for a gotcha moment maybe you got me, I was just saying he’s not known for dodging fights
Seems that at every point of his career, the audience always expected him to fight differently, and struggled in real time to figure out what canelo was doing.
Especially the commentary for his fights, they never sounded quite confident on what they should praise Canelo for. For example, the 11th round of the Kovalev fight, Brian Kenny literally says something about waiting for canelo to step up gears right before KO'ing Sergey.
And it was the same for a lot of his fights.
Him trying to box floyd instead of being a pressure fighter. Him becoming slick at 160 but never quite stepping on the gas. Him loading up on shots, spamming towards the end of his career instead of utilizing his entire punch arsenal etc.
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Thatrogueassdiaz
We're on the blood path now
Emanuel Stewart is missed.
Canelo because he had a built in fan base was always overrated. Inside of the ring he was never as good as his hype outside. Basically his draw was far greater than his skills. So was Oscar's to be fair. the fighters who's skills matched their draw was Ali, SRL, and Money May. Bud is a underated because his skills are better than his draw.
Coincidentally Oscar and Canelo have a similar career but I would rate Canelo just below Oscar because the Quartey win puts him over the top. thats better than any Canelo win. Oscar did have a win over Pernell but was gifted that shyt so I aint counting that....but then it balances out a bit because I believe he beat Tito. Now its funny you guys say Lara ran from Canelo so Canelo deserved the victory....ok, well then the same thing can be said about Oscar running from Tito. Make no mistake, he ran like a mf but he had enough rounds in the bank I believe to get the victory. The Vargas win was another top win. Sturm and Castillejo were good wins.
Canelo best wins were a close bout (despite the scorecards) against Trout. the SD against Lara. Wins against Plant (who is probably a little overrated) and GGG who was definitely overrated. Maybe the win over Cotto you can give him but Cotto was at the end and it was still a good fight. Ryder, Charlo, Berlanga, Munguia, and Scull was a brutal 5 fight run against one dimensional fighters. Kovalev was washed, Smith, Saunders and Jacobs are good fighters but never great in their division. Chavez Jr was trash.
Canelo was a very good fighter and an all time great Mexican but me personally I have a few ahead of him. Just close to his era, JMM, MAB, and Morales were better. then you have Lopez, Zarate, Sanchez....its hard for me to put him up there. I can say in his era he was the best Mexican fighter for sure.
I put him below Oscar but probably higher than Andre Ward....so in the past 20 years he should be top 20 but I have to start ranking fighters and there were a lot that you have to put in there. No knock against him but Bud was better and maybe Inoue. I think Canelo makes top 20.
1) Floyd
2) Bud
3) Roy
4) Manny
5) B-Hop
6) Tito
7) JMM
8) MAB/Morales
9) Winky
10) Mosley
11) Oscar
Canelo falls outside of here along with Lennox, Ward, Cotto, Tszyu, Calzaghe. So he is easily top 20, I would even say top 15 of his era which is DAMN good.
keep in mind though he is a 1st ballot and cream of his class of HOF. because all of the fighters I mentioned are HOFers. even Hatton is in the Hall
Canelo is borderline ATG, I think due to his longevity he is ATG status.
Coincidentally Oscar and Canelo have a similar career but I would rate Canelo just below Oscar because the Quartey win puts him over the top. thats better than any Canelo win. Oscar did have a win over Pernell but was gifted that shyt so I aint counting that....but then it balances out a bit because I believe he beat Tito. Now its funny you guys say Lara ran from Canelo so Canelo deserved the victory....ok, well then the same thing can be said about Oscar running from Tito. Make no mistake, he ran like a mf but he had enough rounds in the bank I believe to get the victory. The Vargas win was another top win. Sturm and Castillejo were good wins.
Canelo best wins were a close bout (despite the scorecards) against Trout. the SD against Lara. Wins against Plant (who is probably a little overrated) and GGG who was definitely overrated. Maybe the win over Cotto you can give him but Cotto was at the end and it was still a good fight. Ryder, Charlo, Berlanga, Munguia, and Scull was a brutal 5 fight run against one dimensional fighters. Kovalev was washed, Smith, Saunders and Jacobs are good fighters but never great in their division. Chavez Jr was trash.
Canelo was a very good fighter and an all time great Mexican but me personally I have a few ahead of him. Just close to his era, JMM, MAB, and Morales were better. then you have Lopez, Zarate, Sanchez....its hard for me to put him up there. I can say in his era he was the best Mexican fighter for sure.
I put him below Oscar but probably higher than Andre Ward....so in the past 20 years he should be top 20 but I have to start ranking fighters and there were a lot that you have to put in there. No knock against him but Bud was better and maybe Inoue. I think Canelo makes top 20.
1) Floyd
2) Bud
3) Roy
4) Manny
5) B-Hop
6) Tito
7) JMM
8) MAB/Morales
9) Winky
10) Mosley
11) Oscar
Canelo falls outside of here along with Lennox, Ward, Cotto, Tszyu, Calzaghe. So he is easily top 20, I would even say top 15 of his era which is DAMN good.
keep in mind though he is a 1st ballot and cream of his class of HOF. because all of the fighters I mentioned are HOFers. even Hatton is in the Hall
Canelo is borderline ATG, I think due to his longevity he is ATG status.
reservoirdogs
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First ballott HOFer, one of the bests of his era and I don't think it's even debatable
He might have fallen short of the creme of the creme category (Bud, Usyk, Inoue) but he was right below that level
I loved how for years he genuinely showed interest to just go for the best opponents and built a great resume as a result but it's unfortunate his last few years (assuming he retires in a year or so) he got big headed and arrogant thinking he's bigger than the sport and that he's not owed to the fans with the best fights anymore opting instead to fight lesser opponents and a much smaller Bud (who still beat him). It's not just that as he got older he took lighter fights, the problem is that he did this while holding onto the belts, holding up the division, denying the well-deserved chance from top contenders.
But despite the inglorious final years of his career he has done enough beforehand to legitimately call him a future HOFer and one of the bests of his era.
He might have fallen short of the creme of the creme category (Bud, Usyk, Inoue) but he was right below that level
I loved how for years he genuinely showed interest to just go for the best opponents and built a great resume as a result but it's unfortunate his last few years (assuming he retires in a year or so) he got big headed and arrogant thinking he's bigger than the sport and that he's not owed to the fans with the best fights anymore opting instead to fight lesser opponents and a much smaller Bud (who still beat him). It's not just that as he got older he took lighter fights, the problem is that he did this while holding onto the belts, holding up the division, denying the well-deserved chance from top contenders.
But despite the inglorious final years of his career he has done enough beforehand to legitimately call him a future HOFer and one of the bests of his era.