What's going on with Jimmy Butler?

[Dorian Breh]

Lmfaooo, so we’re conveniently forgetting that PG was on track to be a MVP caliber player before he broke his leg in two right? Like that plays ZERO factor in how his career panned out. Like he wasn’t giving Miami with prime LeBron James that work at only 23-24 years old. If PG never broke his leg he’d be as good if not better than Kawhi today, facts.

Had to undap this post cuz of the last sentence

 

[Collateral]

Had to undap this post cuz of the last sentence

Why is that far fetched? Maybe not as good defensively, but all around, they would be close.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Paul George has had all his best seasons AFTER the injury

Dude was considered an MVP candidate just LAST YEAR

 

[Collateral]

Paul George has had all his best seasons AFTER the injury

Dude was considered an MVP candidate just LAST YEAR

Exactly. I don’t see how it’s far fetched to view PG as a MVP candidate if he never broke his leg. OKC PG is what we would be looking at when he was 24, 25, and 26 years old the way he was progressing.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Exactly. I don’t see how it’s far fetched to view PG as a MVP candidate if he never broke his leg. OKC PG is what we would be looking at when he was 24, 25, and 26 years old the way he was progressing.

My only complaint about PG is that he lacks consistency and the matter that he always seems to fall off a cliff performance wise the 2nd half of the season.

He’s by far the biggest enigma in the NBA and it’s not even close.

 

[Collateral]

My only complaint about PG is that he lacks consistency and the matter that he always seems to fall off a cliff performance wise the 2nd half of the season.

He’s by far the biggest enigma in the NBA and it’s not even close.

That is true, thats what makes him so frustrating to watch. But if that’s his biggest knock then he’s winning to me.

 

[murksiderock]

Exactly. I don’t see how it’s far fetched to view PG as a MVP candidate if he never broke his leg. OKC PG is what we would be looking at when he was 24, 25, and 26 years old the way he was progressing.

The point is if the best versions of George have been post-injury, exactly how good do you think he'd be without the leg injury? The line of thinking doesn't make sense---->the two years before the injury when he really broke out he was 19.6 on .422/.363 shooting, 106 ORtg/97 DRtg. At the time he got hurt he was a borderline Top 10 guy...

In the five years since recovery he's 23.8 on .437/.391 and 111 ORtg/105 DRtg. He's a better player across the board, his defense has slipped a little but he's better across the board, a perennial Top 10-ish guy...

So if he's a better player now than he was pre injury, it makes no sense that you're acting like the injury derailed his ceiling...

The best versions of Paul George got to be to primary offensive option on the #1 defense in basketball where he averaged 21ppg in the playoffs, or the best player on a mediocre, borderline playoff team where he averages 27 in the playoffs and is one and done every year. Which one do you prefer?

His role right now is better suited to his potential success. Isn't the primary option, excellent defensive team (4th in DRtg). At his best he can be a Top 5 guy and the best player on the floor for a night...

 

[Collateral]

The point is if the best versions of George have been post-injury, exactly how good do you think he'd be without the leg injury? The line of thinking doesn't make sense---->the two years before the injury when he really broke out he was 19.6 on .422/.363 shooting, 106 ORtg/97 DRtg. At the time he got hurt he was a borderline Top 10 guy...

In the five years since recovery he's 23.8 on .437/.391 and 111 ORtg/105 DRtg. He's a better player across the board, his defense has slipped a little but he's better across the board, a perennial Top 10-ish guy...

So if he's a better player now than he was pre injury, it makes no sense that you're acting like the injury derailed his ceiling...

The best versions of Paul George got to be to primary offensive option on the #1 defense in basketball where he averaged 21ppg in the playoffs, or the best player on a mediocre, borderline playoff team where he averages 27 in the playoffs and is one and done every year. Which one do you prefer?

His role right now is better suited to his potential success. Isn't the primary option, excellent defensive team (4th in DRtg). At his best he can be a Top 5 guy and the best player on the floor for a night...

I’m not a analytics person, how do you even calculate ORTG and DRTG? If he had to dedicate a whole season to rehabbing and coming back to his former self and better, that doesn’t factor into his development? Who’s to say his post injury numbers wouldn’t have been higher? Gordon Hayward was another 1B kind of player. Even though his best years didn’t come after the injury, did his injury not alter his career projection?

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Exactly. I don’t see how it’s far fetched to view PG as a MVP candidate if he never broke his leg. OKC PG is what we would be looking at when he was 24, 25, and 26 years old the way he was progressing.

nikka I'm disagreeing with you How can you say PG's potential was squandered by the leg injury...when he's better than he was before the injury in every way.

You forget that in that '14 season, PG had a MASSIVE dropoff after December.

 

[Collateral]

nikka I'm disagreeing with you How can you say PG's potential was squandered by the leg injury...when he's better than he was before the injury in every way.

You forget that in that '14 season, PG had a MASSIVE dropoff after December.

I’m not saying his potential was squandered because he’s still a top 10 ish player, all I’m saying is he probably would have been a top 5 player if it never happened. I understand the drop off argument, that is just what kind of player he will always be. Which is the reason why he needs another star (Westbrook, Kawhi) to win a chip.

 

[Professor K.]

Man, I wish I could've seen Jordan reach his full potential. If it wasn't for that broken foot he would've had 9 titles and outscored Kareem

 

[The God Poster]

A few reasons I believe generally people take PG>Jimmy

PG game is more appealing to the eye .
PG offensive bag is much better
PG was actually seen as the man of his team/franchise which Jimmy has never been seen as that .

PG is the better individual player while Jimmy will do more to elevate the actual team. His leadership>>>>

 

[CHICAGO]

A few reasons I believe generally people take PG>Jimmy

PG game is more appealing to the eye .
PG offensive bag is much better
PG was actually seen as the man of his team/franchise which Jimmy has never been seen as that .

PG is the better individual player while Jimmy will do more to elevate the actual team. His leadership>>>>

YOU nikkaS ARE SEVERELY OVERRATING
PGS OFFENSIVE BAG.

HES VERY ONE DEMENSIONAL
AND IF HIS JUMP SHOT ISNT FALLING
HES IN TROUBLE.

HE DOES THE MAJORITY
OF HIS WORK FROM THE 3P LINE.

HES NOT SOME HIGHLY SKILLED
KYRIE LIKE PLAYER
WHICH IS WHY HE WAS ABLE
TO GET SHUT DOWN BY JOE INGLES
IN THE PLAYOFFS.

JIMMY HAS DROPPED 50 IN A GAME
PG HASNT.

JIMMY HAS DROPPED 40 IN A HALF
PG HASNT.

JIMMY IS ACTUALLY
THE MORE VERSATILE SCORER
OF THE 2.

JUMP SHOT ISNT FALLING,
HES GONNA STILL GET BUCKETS.



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[jwinfield]

JIMMY HAS DROPPED 40 IN A HALF

That game was

 

[FunkDoc1112]

I’m not saying his potential was squandered because he’s still a top 10 ish player, all I’m saying is he probably would have been a top 5 player if it never happened. I understand the drop off argument, that is just what kind of player he will always be. Which is the reason why he needs another star (Westbrook, Kawhi) to win a chip.

I disagree. He's right at where his ceiling was and has been for a while. Only difference last year was he had a faster paced system.