What’s Real? metaphysical solipsism asserts that nothing exists externally to this one mind

[Prince.Skeletor]

In metaphysics, metaphysical solipsism is the variety of idealism which asserts that nothing exists externally to this one mind, and since this mind is the whole of reality then the "external world" was never anything more than an idea. It can also be expressed by the assertion "there is nothing external to these present experiences", in other words, no reality exists beyond whatever is presently being sensed. The aforementioned definition of solipsism entails the non-existence of anything presently unperceived including the external world, causation, other minds (including God's mind or a subconscious mind), the past or future, and a subject of experience. Despite their ontological non-existence, these entities may nonetheless be said to "exist" as useful descriptionsof the various experiences and thoughts that constitute 'this' mind.

The argument in favor of solipsism:

• The only thing one has direct access to is the contents of one's own mind (one's mental states). What one knows most certainly are one's mental states – one's thoughts, experiences, emotions, and so on.
• Just because one sees an object does not mean that the object exists. One could be dreaming or hallucinating. There is no direct conceptual or logically necessary link between the mental and the physical.
• The experiences of a given person are necessarily private to that person. The contents of one's mind are the only things one has direct access to. One cannot get ‘outside’ of one's mind to encounter any other objects including other persons. Other minds are even more removed.

The basic form of the argument:

• Person's mental states are the only things they have access to.
• One cannot conclude the existence of anything outside of their mental states.
  • Therefore, only their mental states exist.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

In metaphysics, metaphysical solipsism is the variety of idealism which asserts that nothing exists externally to this one mind, and since this mind is the whole of reality then the "external world" was never anything more than an idea. It can also be expressed by the assertion "there is nothing external to these present experiences", in other words, no reality exists beyond whatever is presently being sensed. The aforementioned definition of solipsism entails the non-existence of anything presently unperceived including the external world, causation, other minds (including God's mind or a subconscious mind), the past or future, and a subject of experience. Despite their ontological non-existence, these entities may nonetheless be said to "exist" as useful descriptionsof the various experiences and thoughts that constitute 'this' mind.

The argument in favor of solipsism:​

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• The only thing one has direct access to is the contents of one's own mind (one's mental states). What one knows most certainly are one's mental states – one's thoughts, experiences, emotions, and so on.
• Just because one sees an object does not mean that the object exists. One could be dreaming or hallucinating. There is no direct conceptual or logically necessary link between the mental and the physical.
• The experiences of a given person are necessarily private to that person. The contents of one's mind are the only things one has direct access to. One cannot get ‘outside’ of one's mind to encounter any other objects including other persons. Other minds are even more removed.

The basic form of the argument:​

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• Person's mental states are the only things they have access to.
• One cannot conclude the existence of anything outside of their mental states.
  • Therefore, only their mental states exist.

This doesnt address Descartes Great Deceiver concept

I like it and empathize with it but going to that point could be reduced even further to cast doubt in the idea that the observer has any independent mental state at all

 

[Big Mountain Hélà]

Interesting

 

[Paper Boi]

OP the biggest retard on this site

happy thanksgiving

 

[SunZoo]

The power is in the paradox.

 

[High Art]

Interesting thread, even if I don't agree with the OP take, I like thinking about concepts like this.

 

[cheek100]

So when said person has something happen that they have no control over
Like say a stray bullet

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

The power is in the paradox.

Funny enough i had that theory years ago, called it the powerdox. I think it can be harnessed it's just incredibly opaque, convoluted and difficult overall

Started with my study of taoism and the yin yang. equivalent but opposite energies etc

 

[SunZoo]

So when said person has something happen that they have no control over
Like say a stray bullet

Just because a choice is made unconciously doesn't mean it's not a choice.

 

[The Half-Blood FKA Prince]

So basically if a tree falls in the woods on crack. Interesting

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Interesting thread, even if I don't agree with the OP take, I like thinking about concepts like this.

Concepts like this come from a place with no struggle. Easy to talk this pie in the sky ass ideas when you not starving and when barbarians aren’t nearby. Nobody of significance or importance, nothing tangible comes from this type of nerd shyt.

 

[cheek100]

Just because a choice is made unconciously doesn't mean it's not a choice.

Choices are made consciously don’t blur an already blurry thread

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

So when said person has something happen that they have no control over
Like say a stray bullet

The theory is just saying the only thing provable by you is your own mind and that you are a thinking thing. Any physical sensation is cast into something less than absolute certainty

 

[High Art]

Concepts like this come from a place with no struggle. Easy to talk this pie in the sky ass ideas when you not starving and when barbarians aren’t nearby. Nobody of significance or importance, nothing tangible comes from this type of nerd shyt.

Concepts like this are part of the root of philosophy and an exercise in critical thinking. there's nothing wrong with them. More than that, being in state of struggle often gives rise to ideas and discussions such as this since such situations will inevitably have someone questioning their existence and the manner of the world.

 

[cheek100]

The theory is just saying the only thing provable by you is your own mind and that you are a thinking thing. Any physical sensation is cast into something less than absolute certainty

I get that but what about something provable by surprise? The premise is that u control your own reality..