What’s Real? metaphysical solipsism asserts that nothing exists externally to this one mind

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Absolute bullshyt. The struggles of the modern era aren’t nearly as complex as people think they are. Motherfukkers just don’t care. That’s the problem. You think captured slaves chained to one another pontificated and thought about the persecution they faced was in the abstract? All in their mind? No. Instead those that could, did what they could to be free. They didn’t rely on this Eurocentric concepts they relied on spirit. Comradery. Community. They took action. Integrity
These concepts are not eurocentric. And you had those that wondered what such freedom entailed and to what extent freedom should be sought. Even more, yes, even slaves gave consideration to their situation, from both a more concrete sense and a metaphysical one, the latter being the basis for their own takes on religion that endure to this day and the basis for many aspects of ADOS culture that not only thrives but continues to take on more and more dimensions as time goes on.
 

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I subscribe to it to a certain degree in the sense of what is truly confirmable by my own mind and faculties but the more I explain it, the more my certainty gets tested and thus i almost feel that i am being logically contradictory by pushing the boundaries. It's strange. It has to be succinct in nature
thats how metaphysical theory is its great for discussion and it excersizes the brain. the only problem is u come out exhausted lol.
 

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thats how metaphysical theory is its great for discussion and it excersizes the brain. the only problem is u come out exhausted lol.

The exercise actually keeps me awake and now I'm experiencing the mental state combination of annoyance and anguish because I wanted to fall asleep. Should 1 star the thread off the strength of that
 

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These concepts are not eurocentric. And you had those that wondered what such freedom entailed and to what extent freedom should be sought. Even more, yes, even slaves gave consideration to their situation, from both a more concrete sense and a metaphysical one, the latter being the basis for their own takes on religion that endure to this day and the basis for many aspects of ADOS culture that not only thrives but continues to take on more and more dimensions as time goes on.
Wow, @RickyDiBiase negged me for this post with this message: "For being a ADOS shill ABA bytch".
Talk about being in your feelings. I can see why you would hate these discussions. You don't have the maturity to handle them. And for what it's worth, I'm not ADOS, this is well known, but I'm not going to act like they don't have a culture, they do. Moreover, my point stands, even more given how all the different religions and customs the slaves and blacks in general put together in response to their experiences in America.

Edit: I'll make a separate thread on this for the sake of this thread. The bytch born beta bytch Boy is in full blown bytch boy meltdown mode in my mentions. O i am laffin. :mjlol:
 

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Are you fielding responses for a metaphysics course?
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Solipsism affirms subjective normalcy.
How do humans know how to use language to communicate for experiential objectivity?
Cars =/= skyscrapers.
One cannot conclude the existence of anything outside their mental states and theirs only exists because it is all they have access to?
How do you rationalize societies, nations and cultures sharing ideas and putting these ideas to the test against themselves and others for survival?
Solipsism examines individual agency.
Service animals aren't human although humans rely on their senses for survival.
Canary in coalmine.



OP got high and passed out probably
 

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A philosophy thread on the coli :blessed:




But metaphysical solipsism has a lot of problems, I say this as someone that once previously leaned to the position as a teen getting into thing because I honestly couldn't get over the idea that everyone else were just robots and subjective experience was restricted to myself. I was ready to accept the brain in a vat explanation.


The SEP (other minds article) was too wordy and incomplete, this article tackles the issues in a clear manner:



7. The Incoherence of Solipsism​

With the belief in the essential privacy of experience eliminated as false, the last presupposition underlying solipsism is removed and solipsism is shown as foundationless, in theory and in fact. One might even say, solipsism is necessarily foundationless, for to make an appeal to logical rules or empirical evidence the solipsist would implicitly have to affirm the very thing that he purportedly refuses to believe: the reality of intersubjectively valid criteria and a public, extra-mental world. There is a temptation to say that solipsism is a false philosophical theory, but this is not quite strong or accurate enough. As a theory, it is incoherent. What makes it incoherent, above all else, is that the solipsist requires a language (that is, a sign-system) to think or to affirm his solipsistic thoughts at all.

Given this, it is scarcely surprising that those philosophers who accept the Cartesian premises that make solipsism apparently plausible, if not inescapable, have also invariably assumed that language-usage is itself essentially private.
The cluster of arguments—generally referred to as “the private language argument”—that we find in the Investigations against this assumption effectively administers the coup de grâce to both Cartesian dualism and solipsism. (I. § 202; 242-315). Language is an irreducibly public form of life that is encountered in specifically social contexts. Each natural language-system contains an indefinitely large number of “language-games,” governed by rules that, though conventional, are not arbitrary personal fiats. The meaning of a word is its (publicly accessible) use in a language. To question, argue, or doubt is to utilize language in a particular way. It is to play a particular kind of public language-game. The proposition “I am the only mind that exists” makes sense only to the extent that it is expressed in a public language, and the existence of such language itself implies the existence of a social context. Such a context exists for the hypothetical last survivor of a nuclear holocaust, but not for the solipsist. A non-linguistic solipsism is unthinkable and a thinkable solipsism is necessarily linguistic. Solipsism therefore presupposes the very thing that it seeks to deny. That solipsistic thoughts are thinkable in the first instance implies the existence of the public, shared, intersubjective world that they purport to call into question.

:mjlol: Yeah, a pretty brutal takedown. I suppose most beginnings with philosophy start with the questioning of the underpinnings, even if not intended, it's when you confront the rules of logic that you begin to correct your own grounding. It's either that or go ultimate skeptic, or become the next notable philosopher.
 

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Wow, @RickyDiBiase negged me for this post with this message: "For being a ADOS shill ABA bytch".
Talk about being in your feelings. I can see why you would hate these discussions. You don't have the maturity to handle them. And for what it's worth, I'm not ADOS, this is well known, but I'm not going to act like they don't have a culture, they do. Moreover, my point stands, even more given how all the different religions and customs the slaves and blacks in general put together in response to their experiences in America.

Edit: I'll make a separate thread on this for the sake of this thread. The bytch born beta bytch Boy is in full blown bytch boy meltdown mode in my mentions. O i am laffin. :mjlol:
I'm kind of out of it at the moment so I will have to read the exchange later before reaching any conclusion, but I do know you are typically reasonable so I will correct the neg. Also, glancing at the referenced comment, my assumption is ideas started conflicting with beliefs (spiritual?) and philospical arguments were deemed "cac shyt" and thus the neg? Tell me how close I am with that guess, I actually want to know. :mjlol:


Need more black people in philosophy, we already have some incredible and notable minds historically but the only notable ones now are on that conservative time. I also wouldn't call them philosophers, maybe one. And also, logic, logic is beyond humans, no race can lay claim to it, it will be here after us, it was here before us.
 

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I'm kind of out of it at the moment so I will have to read the exchange later before reaching any conclusion, but I do know you are typically reasonable so I will correct the neg. Also, glancing at the referenced comment, my assumption is ideas started conflicting with beliefs (spiritual?) and philospical arguments were deemed "cac shyt" and thus the neg? Tell me how close I am with that guess, I actually want to know. :mjlol:


Need more black people in philosophy, we already have some incredible and notable minds historically but the only notable ones now are on that conservative time. I also wouldn't call them philosophers, maybe one. And also, logic, logic is beyond humans, no race can lay claim to it, it will be here after us, it was here before us.
I'm just as confused as you honestly but yeah, I was put off by the idea that blacks and otherwise don't give consideration to these kind of principles merely because they are suffering. I'm sure they do and even bring use these concepts as a means of understanding their lot in life.

And I agree, we do need more views on philosophy and so on from the black perspective. It provides a very interesting take.
 

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I was put off by the idea that blacks and otherwise don't give consideration to these kind of principles merely because they are suffering. I'm sure they do and even bring use these concepts as a means of understanding their lot in life.
Literally my reason.
 

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Interesting but there seems to be some sort of fundamental contracts in the universe considering how we all experience reality on roughly the same wave length but maybe on slightly varying frequencies
 

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But. There is an objective reality out there.

People really love playing mental games about dumb shyt like this, parallel universes, flat earth, time travel..

Just because you can imagine it doesn't mean it's useful or a real possibility.

The common concept of the real world is indeed the the real world. Face it and quit joking around with yourself.
 

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Choices are made consciously don’t blur an already blurry thread

It's not that blurry and plenty of choices are made without concious thought or self awareness, which is what I'm getting at if you're trying to be literal. The overwelming majority of people who step in dog shyt don't intend to do so. But putting your foot here instead of there, is a choice, regardless of how unaware you were of where your choices were leading you to.

This is what 'karma' really is about, not retribution but the causal root of the effects you experience in life, which are often made without any degree of concious/self awarness.
 
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