What's the coli's opinion on this take by Dr.Umar?

[Dr. Narcisse]

He's right on some level because black men CHOOSE whether a woman gets pregnant. Men CHOOSE whether they want to be in a relationship. If YOU aren't ready for fatherhood, you’ve got money for plan B and a condom. Women can choose deadbeats all day, but that should have nothing to do with YOU. If you are talking to a woman who would rather be with a man with "edge" that's not a loss on YOU, that's an L for HER because that man will make her a single mother or domestic abuse victim.

It does you no good to obsess about why some women keep making bad choices, but It does help you to recognize that water seeks its own level and ratchet women will choose men who are as fukked up as them. They feel judged and intimidated by men who actually have their shyt together because those men need more than just some attention. They need resources that she can't or isn't ready to provide.

 

[SmarkMero]

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[African Peasant]

Umar has two kids he does not take care of and is constantly getting hauled into court because he does not pay

He admitted that he does not even see his kids and his youngest he had no idea what her middle name was until he was in child support court for not paying

He admitted that he pays his child support in “bulk” Meaning he waits until he is threatened with loss of license/passport before he pays the minimum

The court has been trying for years to determine his income and have been forced to set his child support at minimum wage. The court also ordered that he get a job but he ignores it.

He galavants around the country telling people what to do with their kids but he almost NEVER talks about his kids. Never takes them with him. Never shows them

He admitted that he cannot see his youngest without supervision. So he got mad and refuses to see her

He has made two single mothers and married neither. He did have a mock wedding to two different women tho

He wants the black community to be where the “village” raises the children. He pushes this. This way the responsibility is off of HIM to raise his own seeds. He thinks this is a better model than having a committed relationship and marrying one woman and taking care of your own kids

Umar is not credible in this convo at all

OP was asking if what Umar was saying was true, it is. He's still right. No one will fix this mess except black men

This is not realistic at all and rooted in complete delusion.

Individualistic actions will not fix systemic problems.

Black men have to deal with inflation, rising cost of rent, rising cost of homes, rising cost of tuition, stagnant wages, and also take time out of their 40-60 hour work week to mentor someone else's kids.

Instead of telling women to stop choosing aint shyt nikkas and having their kids, the responsibility is on the black men that are actually doing what they're supposed to be doing while getting no reward from it lmao....yeah aight

I see what it is. Gotta get those donations... DONATIONS.... DOUGH NATIONS from black women by telling them what they want to hear.

You're saying the opposite of what Umar said

He clearly said that the issue is systemic and that people looking at it from an individualistic POV don't get it. And he's right.

 

[#1 pick]

He ain't saying nothing wrong but BM don't want to hear it because BW aren't giving love back to BM

 

[Iceson Beckford]

I agree with him for the most part

Alot of men become Pookies and Ray Ray because of lack of adequate male figures and the women deal with them because thats what available and marketed as masculinity.


Also alot of well to do brothers are jealous of Pookie and Ray Ray because they have to try and use their money/degrees/careers to negotiate women to submit and they got it for free.


I also don’t get how Black men in America complain about women you have more eligible women to access than any other group of Black men in the West.

 

[Dwayne_Taylor]

He's pandering. He needs to preach accountability to women the same way its been preached to BM since the 70s.

In 2023 there's 11 forms of birth control +abortion. You can also get the morning after pill from a vending machine or the Walgreens 24/7 drive through;

Excluding outliers like rape victims, there is no reason for a woman to be pregnant with an OOW child in 2023 unless she wants to be.
EDIT: mentorship isn't the solution; it's reactive. We need to be proactive and remove incentives for women to carelessly have kids by Pookie in the first place. But we aren't ready for a discussion on welfare.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

Hvac before buttcrack

 

[General Mills]

OP was asking if what Umar was saying was true, it is. He's still right. No one will fix this mess except black men

I don’t believe he is right at all. It is not on black men as a whole to fix this. This is a black women issue and who they choose to pick

Over 80% of children born in our community are from single mothers. They choose to carry before they marry. They choose men who have multiple kids by multiple women.

Most black men do not have kids. There is a minority of black men making all of the children. Umar is in that class. He is a pookie and ray ray.

Women have the right to choose who they bring into this world. They have full control. The men do not.

 

[JasoRockStar]

What is the incentive for black men to step in these roles? What responsibility does the rest of the community have to support them? Do the black men who are causing the havoc just get to go off scot free and continue with their destructive ways?

Instead of answering any of these questions, pro blacks instead choose to browbeat responsible black men and wonder why they ain't "stepping up".

 

[African Peasant]

This is not realistic at all and rooted in complete delusion.

Individualistic actions will not fix systemic problems.

Black men have to deal with inflation, rising cost of rent, rising cost of homes, rising cost of tuition, stagnant wages, and also take time out of their 40-60 hour work week to mentor someone else's kids.

Instead of telling women to stop choosing aint shyt nikkas and having their kids, the responsibility is on the black men that are actually doing what they're supposed to be doing while getting no reward from it lmao....yeah aight

I see what it is. Gotta get those donations... DONATIONS.... DOUGH NATIONS from black women by telling them what they want to hear.

You're saying the opposite of what Umar said

He clearly said that the issue is systemic and that people looking at it from an individualistic POV don't get it. And he's right.

Over 80% of children born in our community are from single mothers.

Interesting way to phrase it. As if those kids were created by their mothers and nature...

Anyway, there is an issue of mates selection, which means that the incentives inside the community are wrong.

And as Uma said it, when something need to be fixed in the community, t's up to the men of the community to fix it.

Black men will either fix this issue or it will never be fixed.

 

[saturn7]

Shame on Umar for using those tired tropes about "not enough good black men available" to excuse the decisions the lovely young ladies are making.

Rebecca Lynn Pope is back and she is pushing this stuff as well (she knows better).

 

[JasoRockStar]

Shame on Umar for using those tired tropes about "not enough food black men available" to excuse the decisions the lovely young ladies are making.

Rebecca Lynn Pope is back and she is pushing this stuff as well (she knows better).

"Not enough good black men available" but they're good enough to raise your kids? See, this is why a lot of men are averse to being stepfathers, especially when you have no kids of your own.

 

[General Mills]

You're saying the opposite of what Umar said

He clearly said that the issue is systemic and that people looking at it from an individualistic POV don't get it. And he's right.

Interesting way to phrase it. As if those kids were created by their mothers and nature...

Anyway, there is an issue of mates selection, which means that the incentives inside the community are wrong.

And as Uma said it, when something need to be fixed in the community, t's up to the men of the community to fix it.

Black men will either fix this issue or it will never be fixed.

There is a issue with mate selection. Our women select these men.

The issue is not a new one. Every community has men who are not shyt. There will always be those men. You do not have to have kids by them. If you do have kids by them it is not the responsibility of other men to fix that.

 

[Barlow]

I will not be shamed into saving “the community” for peoples bad decisions that aren’t being held accountable.

I don’t care about being a leader, I don’t care how many names i get called and I don’t care how anyone feels about it.

If I want to help I will. I do and will continue to do so.
But being shamed as a person who’s not on fukk shyt, to clean up others’ bullshyt as our community continues to spiral into degeneracy, with no pushback; is where I draw the line.

I want off the grid with my family and I don’t care if I never see another person again. Black or white. Y’all got it.

 

[Iceson Beckford]

I think people need to ask what is your responsibility as a black man, and what is leadership to you. Is it to sit on the internet all day and make fun of single mothers? Is it to sit around on the internet arguing about 50/50 bills and high value men and building with a grown man who doesn't have his shyt together? Or is it to improve your community?

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