What's the coli's opinion on this take by Dr.Umar?

[African Peasant]

There is a issue with mate selection. Our women select these men.

They select them based on cultural incentives. It's a fundamental trait of a society to push this or that incentive. And it's up to men that lead the society to correct, rectify or amplify those inventives. It's called power. The problem is that black men are powerless and some want to stay like that.

 

[Barlow]

They select them based on cultural incentives. It's a fundamental trait of a society to push this or that incentive. And it's up to men that lead the society to correct, rectify or amplify those inventives. It's called power. The problem is that black men are powerless and some want to stay like that.

The sooner y’all realize you’re not going to create this mythical 1800s patriarchal society in modern times and control black women the better off we’ll be

nikka been chasing after broads that hate their guts and sabotage them since we got put in chains.

When are you going to learn that this is what they WANT?

White men don’t even have control of their women and that’s who y’all idolize.

Either you’re going to subjugate them or not. There’s no half stepping.

“I’m a feminist and respect my woman but I lead the community and pay for everything but she tells me what to do” is basically what nikkas try do now and the shyt is goofy and always fails

Either tell the bytches to make better choice or take away some rights.

 

[analog]

I think this conversation needs to take place from a basic, biological level.

1. Females have an inherent biological need to reproduce.
2. By nature they are emotional and illogical. This applies to every women on this planet, regardless of color.
3. Men need to bust a nut. Plain and simple. Historically men have had to put systems in place that allowed them access to clap cheeks. This could range from hitting a bytch over the head and dragging to a cave, to throw a burka on a bytch and make sure no other savage male even glances at her, to let the bytches freely roam and let them lay with any man who makes her feel good.
4. There's a middle ground somewhere that leads to the best balance/outcome. If there's a historic precedent for women taking the lead on large systemic issues and creating solutions, then someone please give me some examples.

 

[Piff Perkins]

He's halfway right.
Black people in general have moved away from a community based mindset to a more individualistic one.
That has had a profoundly negative effect on our community.
Men, OF ALL RACES, have been walking out on their children and families since forever.
So you would always be right to call on men to accept the responsibilities that they created.

However, that doesn't let women off the hook.
Choosing to not properly vet who you're having unprotected sex with has consequences.
Allowing yourself to get pregnant as a way of tying yourself to a man who may not want to be with you is a bad idea.
Even if the child's father is absent, that is no excuse for not raising a child properly.
You do not get to say "well, his father was a deadbeat" as an excuse for raising a person who will continue the cycle of destruction in our community.
The bottom line is that Black men and women have got to stop leaning on excuses as to why we're not doing the work to understand each other, support each other, have empathy for each other and protect each other.
Until we learn, as men and women, how to be together, these Black kids and the Black community on a whole will continue to suffer.

Agreed although I'm not sure I'd call it purely individualistic. It seems almost like something more child-like. We've got multiple generations who see themselves as little more than a victim, so there is no sense of individual pride or community connection. A victim who can blame his or her struggles on outside forces while taking zero responsibility for anything they do. This applies to men who refuse to pursue higher education or trades because they see no value in working hard. This applies to women who allow themselves to get pregnant multiple times while blaming men instead of questioning their decisions. Then you get to those who leverage victimhood for personal gain, like the #OscarsSoWhite begging we see yearly at awards shows from black elites.

This leads to a state of stagnation and paralysis. There are a lot of people who have just enough to get by - meaning they can purchase a phone, pay for service, eat at a nice restaurant here or there, flash money on the gram, etc. That's enough for them to live vicariously. It's a mental barrier that needs to be destroyed.

We need a complete cultural realignment when it comes to this mindset, as well as concepts of success. Having large groups of young people who literally do not believe in working, who think "owning a business" means collecting a check and taking pictures on a beach, and who have no real concept of professional jobs is a problem. We've got grown ass men and women shytting on 9-5 jobs as if most high earning, six figure jobs are not 9-5s. Doctor? Lawyer? Engineer? Banker? Those are 9-5 jobs.

 

[Rakim Allah]

WHAT PRESSURE SHOULD BE APPLIED TO WOMEN ON THIS SUBJECT?

Protecting their wombs. It’s starts with them. If not we’ll just be monthly unpaid maids who come in and clean up their mess while they go back to giving the small minority of men (Pookie) immortality and a new batch of Pookies, friend.

 

[Rakim Allah]

In a way he right…

The existence of pookie and ray ray falls on the sperm donor who helped create them

It falls on the spermicide taker who didn’t protect her womb. Are the small minority of these sperm donors (16%) raping these spermicide takers? If not, then it starts with the lovely ladies protecting their wombs not giving immortality to those small minority of soerm donors, friend.

 

[Studious one]

Umar has two kids he does not take care of and is constantly getting hauled into court because he does not pay

He admitted that he does not even see his kids and his youngest he had no idea what her middle name was until he was in child support court for not paying

He admitted that he pays his child support in “bulk” Meaning he waits until he is threatened with loss of license/passport before he pays the minimum

The court has been trying for years to determine his income and have been forced to set his child support at minimum wage. The court also ordered that he get a job but he ignores it.

He galavants around the country telling people what to do with their kids but he almost NEVER talks about his kids. Never takes them with him. Never shows them

He admitted that he cannot see his youngest without supervision. So he got mad and refuses to see her

He has made two single mothers and married neither. He did have a mock wedding to two different women tho

He wants the black community to be where the “village” raises the children. He pushes this. This way the responsibility is off of HIM to raise his own seeds. He thinks this is a better model than having a committed relationship and marrying one woman and taking care of your own kids

Umar is not credible in this convo at all

Thank you for this. Wow.

 

[The Burger King]

Protecting their wombs. It’s starts with them. If not we’ll just be monthly unpaid maids who come in and clean up their mess while they go back to giving the small minority of men (Pookie) immortality and a new batch of Pookies, friend.

This is what people keep ignoring. Cleaning up other people’s messes always encourages the issue.

I’ve seen it happen in my own family.

Another thing people overlook is that, ironically, many of the women who support this would switch up real quick when they see their man spending time mentoring another woman’s kids.

I barely get to spend time with my girl now.

She would be pissed if I started spending time and money that should go to her, on some irresponsible woman and her offspring.

And rightfully so.

 

[African Peasant]

White men don’t even have control of their women and that’s who y’all idolize.

 

[Rakim Allah]

This is what people keep ignoring. Cleaning up other people’s messes always encourages the issue.

I’ve seen it happen in my own family.

Another thing people overlook is that, ironically, many of the women who support this would switch up real quick when they see their man spending time mentoring another woman’s kids.

I barely get to spend time with my girl now.

She would be pissed if I started spending time and money that should go to her, on some irresponsible woman and her offspring.

And rightfully so.

Exactly. It’ll become similar to you cheating on her. It’s all talk and shaming tactics, friend.

 

[Rakim Allah]

I believe the first thing he said was that pookies and Ray rays shouldn't even be a thing , or at least not as common.

They aren’t common. They are a small minority. The majority of Black men are average regular people. Unfortunately, too many Black women are not attracted to or desire the majority of Black men, friend.

 

[Rakim Allah]

Pookie, Ray Ray & Eli.

Dr. Umar is right.

I don’t know why he gets so much hate while someone like Tariq has a big fan base.

Dr Umar’s base is huge. It’s get 1-3 million views whenever he goes on the Breakfast Club, friend.

 

[Rakim Allah]

I don’t believe he is right at all. It is not on black men as a whole to fix this. This is a black women issue and who they choose to pick

Over 80% of children born in our community are from single mothers. They choose to carry before they marry. They choose men who have multiple kids by multiple women.

Most black men do not have kids. There is a minority of black men making all of the children. Umar is in that class. He is a pookie and ray ray.

Women have the right to choose who they bring into this world. They have full control. The men do not.

And in the 80% of OOW, Black females are the common denominator not Black males. Bottom shelf Brad knocking up Keisha counts towards that 80%, friends.

 

[Rakim Allah]

They select them based on cultural incentives. It's a fundamental trait of a society to push this or that incentive. And it's up to men that lead the society to correct, rectify or amplify those inventives. It's called power. The problem is that black men are powerless and some want to stay like that.

Also the media promotion of Black hypermasculinity the last 30 or so years, friend.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

HE IS RIGHT TO SOME DEGREE. THAT'S THE HARD THING ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY. YOU DON'T GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN TO BE RESPONSIBLE. IF YOU WANT TO BE A LEADER, THAT'S THE COST.

IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO BE STEP FATHERS TO ALL SINGLE MOTHERS. BUT ITS OUR JOB TO BE ROLE MODELS TO ANY KID IN YOUR VICINITY. ITS AN UGLY JOB SOMETIMES, BUT THATS WHAT MEN DO.

IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING BUT YOUR TIME.

This a reasonable take. If the black community is to exist as a patriarchy then we as men have to take up the burden of being leaders in these type of situation's, even if we otherwise bare no personal responsibility for two parents being deadbeats to their children (Or it applies to the men who aren't time poor and are well established at least).

I guess the other question is, is everybody in the community okay with it being a patriarchal one? What do women want? Because if we're going for equality and the abolishment of gender roles then men aren't obligated to do anything when it comes to other people's personal failings, nor should they be held accountable en masse if no one is a leader by design (People SHOULD still mentor kids regardless though, the only thing in contention now is the obligation part).