What's the Difference Between a Beat Maker and a Producer??

Zach Lowe

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RZA = producer, see how he took Kanye production to a whole other level?

Timbo = producer

Harry Fraud = Producer

Versatility is the main that takes you from being a beat maker to producer.

Young Chop/Lex Luger = beat maker.

So, I don't think its an excuse.

Wrong :facepalm:

Then how do you explain a beatmaker cat who is super versatile but makes beats by himself and doesn't make songs

and how do you explain someone like Dre who's a producer but sticks to his signature style, or DJ Premier as another example

A beatmaker is someone who makes a beat/instrumental

A producer is someone who guides the production of a song

You can be both or just one

There is a small distinction but cats make it out to be some huge divide

I'm sure Timbo has emailed sessions out and had nothing to do with the vocals laid on his beat in some cases and I'm sure Young Chop has been in the studio with artists many times
 

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Wrong :facepalm:

Then how do you explain a beatmaker cat who is super versatile but makes beats by himself and doesn't make songs

and how do you explain someone like Dre who's a producer but sticks to his signature style, or DJ Premier as another example

A beatmaker is someone who makes a beat/instrumental

A producer is someone who guides the production of a song

You can be both or just one

There is a small distinction but cats make it out to be some huge divide

I'm sure Timbo has emailed sessions out and had nothing to do with the vocals laid on his beat in some cases and I'm sure Young Chop has been in the studio with artists many times

I agree, a producer guides the production of a song. But he doesn't have to be in the studio sessions.

RZA said back in '94 he had 300 beats lost in a flood, and he had beats set aside for each member. One of the reasons the first wave of Wu releases was pretty crazy, he actually produced tracks to fit a certain feel, tone, and mood. RZA's sound is unmatched, you feel he is more than just a beat maker versus Lex Luger.

Ask Young Chop to produce a pain soaked song like Tupac's Pain or Raekwon's North Star. You need range to go from a beat maker to a producer.

There is not a huge divide, but I factor in their skill set, range, and quality of the sound.
 

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Why does it matter anyway

it doesn't... nothing on this site matters... but we're hip hop enthusiasts... we do this for the love of hip hop and to politic with each other about a form of music we feel passionately about... we could have another thread talking about who has the tightest ride or freshest crib...but here we decided to chop it up over the difference between a beat maker and a producer.... word up!


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it doesn't... nothing on this site matters... but we're hip hop enthusiasts... we do this for the love of hip hop and to politic with each other about a form of music we feel passionately about... we could have another thread talking about who has the tightest ride or freshest crib...but here we decided to chop it up over the difference between a beat maker and a producer.... word up!


#rE

I read more threads than I post in but I had to dap you for this
 

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I agree, a producer guides the production of a song. But he doesn't have to be in the studio sessions.

RZA said back in '94 he had 300 beats lost in a flood, and he had beats set aside for each member. One of the reasons the first wave of Wu releases was pretty crazy, he actually produced tracks to fit a certain feel, tone, and mood. RZA's sound is unmatched, you feel he is more than just a beat maker versus Lex Luger.

Ask Young Chop to produce a pain soaked song like Tupac's Pain or Raekwon's North Star. You need range to go from a beat maker to a producer.

There is not a huge divide, but I factor in their skill set, range, and quality of the sound.

Skill set, range, and quality have nothing to do with the difference between a producer and a beatmaker

If you're a producer who doesn't make beats at all and your ghost-producer/ghost-beatmaker makes all your shyt then you have no skill set (other than selecting music other people have made), range, or quality

You're still a producer though

People just call cats they like "real producers" and cats they don't like "just beatmakers" and that makes no sense

The only thing that makes you a beatmaker is making beats

The only thing that makes you a producer is producing songs

Most cats in the industry are both

Aspiring producers who don't record songs are probably just beatmakers

It's a silly debate anyway since the term beatmaker is a hip hop invention and not a real musical or music industry term

Most of the time if you make a beat and give it to an artist who records to it you already deserve the production credit unless the artist/engineer/another producer alters your produced track by a lot

At that point it might be shared credit
 

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Well Dre has had other people produce beats for him. Best examples are Scott Starch, Mike Elizondo, and Mel Man. It wouldn't surprise me if Dre had been doing that shyt for the last 20 years.


Exactly!! Don't forget about Sam Sneed, Daz, snoopafly, & fred wreck. Also don't forget that daz won a multi million dollar lawsuit against death row records for Dre takin credit for makin beats tha daz made
 

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Exactly!! Don't forget about Sam Sneed, Daz, snoopafly, & fred wreck. Also don't forget that daz won a multi million dollar lawsuit against death row records for Dre takin credit for makin beats tha daz made

:salute: That's why it's important to have your paperwork in order if you're gonna be making beats. Cause nikkas will try to jip you.
 

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if you've ever set foot in a real, working studio (not your cousin's bedroom set-up) with real, working artists (and their people, producer included), you realize the difference.

making beats and making songs are two different things.
 

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mix and mastering isn't even done by the producer. say i go on soundclick and buy a beat... that's the BEAT MAKER.. he made the beat. depending on HIS knowledge, and what I will pay and accept.. that's all in a contract and why some beat makers, not knowing any better, get ripped off.

for arguments sake, i paid him $300 for a fully tracked out beat. meaning the horns come separate, the drums, etc. every layer is a separate wav file instead of $15 for one mixed complete mp3.

i take that to the studio and meet the PRODUCER. he sits there with an ENGINEER. a person simply pressing buttons he's told. he puts in input too. cause he went to sound school and knows technical shyt. but really he's the one cutting this, looping that, turning that higher..

the PRODUCER is the one telling him what to do.. raise the drums, lower the bass, add in some chimes.. he's also telling the artist what to do. stop that, say that louder, don't come in like that, redo that verse... that's where you get a Dre making you do 100 takes till he hears the right one. tweaking a beat for hours after you already laid your verse.

the beatmaker ain't there doing that. maybe he is.. either way, your paperwork ain't right, and you ain't getting credit for it. death row was famous for that. not giving people their credit.. then they get called "ghost producers" cause either they did help out in studio, and never got credit. or they sold the beat but never was in studio, but still, never got credit

this is the exact same for writers. you can have one bar and get credit. or write a whole song and get none. depends on your paperwork and what you accept. don't ever think you'll just get it cause you think you should.






oh and to finish the original point.. MIX & MASTERING is the last step. you usually master a whole album together when its all done. that's done by an engineer but one that specializes in mixing and mastering. that's always listed on the album somewhere.. usually just once because its mixed and mastered at the same place. sometimes the producer sits in on that session too. the album also gets sequenced, or put in order. that's when the executive producer title comes in. but like always, that can be taken too. you think suge knight was in the studio doing that? kim gave hers to biggie after he passed. nore made capone his when pone was locked up. all about business.. never forget it

In a lot of cases, producers and beatmakers are not in the same room with an engineer. In those cases, it's all on the engineer to raise drums, lower snares, add or take away sound effects, level vocals etc.

The Game's "Hate It or Love It" is a classic example of an engineer taking on the role of the producer. Although Dre is a producer, he isn't credited with producing that song, but he's credited for mixing it. Cool & Dre had this to say about Dre's involvement:

But Dre had put the most amazing mix on it. Like his mixes are so fukking phenomenal. Trust me there was a difference sonically, but as for the record itself the music was the same. But Dre brought it to life. [As a mixer is] what I think is his greatest quality. His sound placement and how his shyt comes out sonically. That's why they're his headphones. His ear for instrument placement is amazing. A Dr. Dre mix is a co-production in our mind because he just kinda brings shyt out that was not there and that's what he did. And, if I'm not mistaken at the end of the hook he added a string going into the verse.”


“Hate It Or Love Itâ€? f/ 50 Cent — The Making of The Game's "The Documentary" | Complex

^^^ This is the kind of engineer work that I was referring to in regard to engineers really going unnoticed and not acknowledged in the creation of a record.
 

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it doesn't... nothing on this site matters... but we're hip hop enthusiasts... we do this for the love of hip hop and to politic with each other about a form of music we feel passionately about... we could have another thread talking about who has the tightest ride or freshest crib...but here we decided to chop it up over the difference between a beat maker and a producer.... word up!
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