What's the Difference Between a Beat Maker and a Producer??

[mortuus est]

vid made my dikk hard

does this vid make ya ass tight?



[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUOlZI3EBI[/ame]

 

[Sugar]

So much knowledge in this thread

I'm glad I made it. There's gems all over this place.

 

[Zach Lowe]

The proof is in the pudding. Apart from the likes of Prince the best music is made by 2 or more people. Most producers have 2 instruments - sampler and MPC. But at some point the really ambitious producers will look at Thriller, What's Going On and realise they can't make something on that level on your own. So they bring in instrumentists and other producers.


From a musical standpoint, one man can't make Forgot About Dre or All of the Lights.

I do agree for WTT and Cruel Summer 'Ye simply isn't making the beats. He's keeping it real though and not giving himself full producer credits. They don't sound like Kanye albums either where as he's used co-producers for his own albums before and they sound like his projects.

The MPC is a sampler

One man can make Forgot About Dre
wasn't that made by two people, so why can't one person make it

All of the Lights might be harder for one person cuz of all the different background vocal parts

As far as writing the melodies and coming up the drum patterns, one man could easily do that track

Kanye seems to be one of the fairer cats in giving proper credits I can agree with that

 

[Zach Lowe]

ghost producers are technically the engineers... the ones that "mixes" the track and song together and add other elements to it.

the engineer is the person who records the song or comes up with the final mix

a producer might do some rough mixes or move some faders in the session but if he's not handling mics/recording the artist and doing the final mix himself then he shouldn't really get an engineer/mix credit

 

[DaveyDave]

Great thread.

When a song is sampled, but the original artist isn't put in the prodution credit, is that the producer trying to be slick to get out of paying royalties?

That old Timbaland thread, made me realize half of his discography was samples, but you never saw the original artists credited.

it used to be that you dodn't HAVE to put the sample in the credits, but you still had to clear it. if the original artist said they want the sample in the credits then you had to but if not then you ddn't have to.

these days i think it's compulsory, given that you clear the sample first.

 

[Still FloW]

RYAN LESLIE is a = PRODUCER
Pork Chop, I mean Young Chop is a = BEAT MAKER

 

[California Burrito]

perfect example is shy money xl producing "wanksta" now if u remember when 50 first put that out on a mixtape the beat was kinda annoying, didn't sound finished & had no bass really. dr. dre re-touched & produced it thats the video version & the version thats on GRODT...

original



dr. dre produced version

 

[Zach Lowe]

@California Burrito Midi Mafia made that not Sha Money

and I don't think Dre took any credit for that

I don't wanna listen and compare but the difference might be a good professional mix, not added or redone production

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

This.

I never thought of it that way, but they basically are responsible for the way that we hear the music. A well mixed and mastered song makes a lot of difference. Rarely is that element acknowledged.

mix and mastering isn't even done by the producer. say i go on soundclick and buy a beat... that's the BEAT MAKER.. he made the beat. depending on HIS knowledge, and what I will pay and accept.. that's all in a contract and why some beat makers, not knowing any better, get ripped off.

for arguments sake, i paid him $300 for a fully tracked out beat. meaning the horns come separate, the drums, etc. every layer is a separate wav file instead of $15 for one mixed complete mp3.

i take that to the studio and meet the PRODUCER. he sits there with an ENGINEER. a person simply pressing buttons he's told. he puts in input too. cause he went to sound school and knows technical shyt. but really he's the one cutting this, looping that, turning that higher..

the PRODUCER is the one telling him what to do.. raise the drums, lower the bass, add in some chimes.. he's also telling the artist what to do. stop that, say that louder, don't come in like that, redo that verse... that's where you get a Dre making you do 100 takes till he hears the right one. tweaking a beat for hours after you already laid your verse.

the beatmaker ain't there doing that. maybe he is.. either way, your paperwork ain't right, and you ain't getting credit for it. death row was famous for that. not giving people their credit.. then they get called "ghost producers" cause either they did help out in studio, and never got credit. or they sold the beat but never was in studio, but still, never got credit

this is the exact same for writers. you can have one bar and get credit. or write a whole song and get none. depends on your paperwork and what you accept. don't ever think you'll just get it cause you think you should.






oh and to finish the original point.. MIX & MASTERING is the last step. you usually master a whole album together when its all done. that's done by an engineer but one that specializes in mixing and mastering. that's always listed on the album somewhere.. usually just once because its mixed and mastered at the same place. sometimes the producer sits in on that session too. the album also gets sequenced, or put in order. that's when the executive producer title comes in. but like always, that can be taken too. you think suge knight was in the studio doing that? kim gave hers to biggie after he passed. nore made capone his when pone was locked up. all about business.. never forget it

 

[Will Ross]

making a beat and producing a song are two different things.

 

[Suicide King]

In hip hop it's basically the same thing - a producer usually makes the beat, a beatmaker is usually the producer of the song

A lot of the people who push the distinction argument are cats who feel the need to make excuses for why they don't do all of their own music

This whole "oh well I'm a real producer, it's okay if other cats make my music as long as I oversee the overall process" argument is really flawed IMO for a bunch of reasons and a lot of people who say it just sound insecure that they're not really that nice

The fans/amateur producers who repeat this argument are just sheep basically, they have no reason to promote that kind of excuse-making but they do it cuz of the first group (of producers who don't make good beats anymore) repeating it until it becomes "common knowledge"

RZA = producer, see how he took Kanye production to a whole other level?

Timbo = producer

Harry Fraud = Producer

Versatility is the main that takes you from being a beat maker to producer.

Young Chop/Lex Luger = beat maker.

So, I don't think its an excuse.

 

[Mac Casper]

How many times can you people come in here and reiterate the same answer

 

[CashmoneyHotBoy]

Making a beat=Producing a beat therefore=Beatmaker=Producer of the beat
Giving input of the direction of the song=Writer credits not producer credits

All beatmakers are producers no matter how much input they give on the final outcome of the song or how little knowledge they have they are still producers.

Someone who gives input will get credited as a writer.

These producers that yall named aren't in every studio session giving input.They might give input on a few but definitely not all therefore would you call them producers if they didn't have input on 10 songs but only on 3 songs where they did the beat?

 

[Piff Huxtable]

another reason why Mannie Fresh is top 5

1. makes beat
2. programs drum sequence and adds to beat
3. instructs instrumentalist (e.g. Funky Fingers on bass)
4. adds instrumental part to beat
5. mixes and fine tunes everything

 

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