What's The Purpose Of Being An Black Establishment Dem

[AnonymityX1000]

It is what it is. People can act like butt hurt kids, or you can think about steering clear of 8 years of trump policy, which will take a decade to dig ourselves out of compared to the four it’d take to undo one term, and lifetime of a trump Supreme Court. I really don’t see how folks who call themselves dems, liberals, progressive or anything left could be so narrow as to ignore Supreme Court consequences. That alone was all it took for me to be ok voting Hillary.

Sad thing is it still didn't work. Centrists have had chance after chance and cannot sustain a winning strategy. They lost to a reality star with a 100 word vocabulary who tells boldface lies. They blew it, it is time they step aside and let the Progressives try a different strategy. If they don't, it's not about winning for them it is all about maintaining the little power they continue to have.

 

[acri1]

Is that all just a run-around to prop up Tulsi Gabbard as a supposed "progressive"?

She legit creeps me out. Some of her positions on right-wing ideologues are terrifying.

Tulsi Gabbard Is Not Who You Think She Is



And her voting record.












Trump didn't win 2016 on no Bernie-or-Bust shyt, where the hell you get that idea from.

Bernie voters went with Clinton in 2016 MUCH more than Clinton voters went with Obama in 2008.

Link?

Although I'm not suggesting many Bernie voters voted for Trump, but that a lot stayed home. I'm not sure there's any way to know how many Bernie voters stayed home for voted 3rd-party but there were certainly a significant number that said they would.

 

[acri1]

in 2016 do we really have to get into how the party sent out a mandate that it was "her turn" and no other challengers would be accepted? bernie didnt get the memo because, as the indian in the cupboard like to remind us, he's not a democrat

Your irrational hatred of Hillary/Democrats is clouding your judgement.

Whether we like it or not she got the most votes, and I say that as somebody who voted for Bernie in the primary. It is what it is.

 

[the cac mamba]

Your irrational hatred of Hillary/Democrats is clouding your judgement.

Whether we like it or not she got the most votes, and I say that as somebody who voted for Bernie in the primary. It is what it is.

so does vladimir putin how could you miss the point that badly?

im not even tryna argue with anyone, but like i said. i look forward to a primary with several people running that isnt a foregone conclusion

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Sad thing is it still didn't work. Centrists have had chance after chance and cannot sustain a winning strategy. They lost to a reality star with a 100 word vocabulary who tells boldface lies. They blew it, it is time they step aside and let the Progressives try a different strategy. If they don't, it's not about winning for them it is all about maintaining the little power they continue to have.

Hilary didn’t lose for being a centrist, she lost because she ran a shytty campaign that ignored a large swath of dem voters in the Midwest - exactly the type that are drawn to candidates like her.

The progressive wing’s identity politics and gap between the social values of wealthy cities and more rural areas/downtrodden cities were a big part of the chink in her loss, not her positions, trump played up white fear and won.


Furthermore, if you look across her whole political career, she was pushed by her party and husband more to the center, people seem not to take time to remember her entire 40 years of politics, just the stuff they need to reinforce their beliefs.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Hilary didn’t lose for being a centrist, she lost because she ran a shytty campaign that ignored a large swath of dem voters in the Midwest - exactly the type that are drawn to candidates like her.

The progressive wing’s identity politics and gap between the social values of wealthy cities and more rural areas/downtrodden cities were a big part of the chink in her loss, not her positions, trump played up white fear and won.


Furthermore, if you look across her whole political career, she was pushed by her party and husband more to the center, people seem not to take time to remember her entire 40 years of politics, just the stuff they need to reinforce their beliefs.

She ignored them why? By being a globalist and telling them to die slow instead of offering them something, fukkin' anything. That inaction is a direct result of her being pro business and not sticking up for workers.
Trump played up white fear but Hillary is white to. I don't get that excuse. You would be better off talking about sexism.
Well, who's fault is that? Appeal to the voters not your husband. Don't expect them to vote for you just cause. Democrats are screaming for univseral healthcare and she says "it will never happen". Is that convincing people to go out and vote for her? It's not, it is doing the opposite.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Link?

Although I'm not suggesting many Bernie voters voted for Trump, but that a lot stayed home. I'm not sure there's any way to know how many Bernie voters stayed home for voted 3rd-party but there were certainly a significant number that said they would.

Of course some Bernie voters stayed home, he wasn't even a Democrat himself until he ran and he pulled votes from a lot of people who weren't Democrats and who literally never voted for anyone other than Bernie. It's senseless to point out that Bernie got the support of typical non-voters who then resumed being non-voters when the DNC decided they didn't want him as their candidate.

But of the Bernie voters who did vote, only 10% voted for Trump. And some of those might have been Republicans anyway who were just cross-voting in the primaries in order to try to spoil Clinton. While of Clinton's voters in 2008, a good 15% went for McCain. That's 50% more who crossed lines to screw over the Democratic candidate.

Exit polls: Obama wins big among young, minority voters - CNN.com

Exit polling also showed that Democrats who supported Sen. Hillary Clinton during the primaries overwhelming voted for Obama in the general election, 84 percent to 15 percent for McCain.

Note how the mainstream media talks about 84% of Clinton voters going for Obama as "overwhelming", while 90% of Bernie voters going for Clinton turns into, "Why didn't they all vote for Clinton, they cost her the election!!!!"

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

She ignored them why? By being a globalist and telling them to die slow instead of offering them something, fukkin' anything. That inaction is a direct result of her being pro business and not sticking up for workers.
Trump played up white fear but Hillary is white to. I don't get that excuse. You would be better off talking about sexism.
Well, who's fault is that? Appeal to the voters not your husband. Don't expect them to vote for you just cause. Democrats are screaming for univseral healthcare and she says "it will never happen". Is that convincing people to go out and vote for her? It's not, it is doing the opposite.

She went to bat early in her career for universal healthcare, and was told to shut the fukk up, sit down and play the background, people felt she was endangering her husband’s career. So miss me with the universal health care shyt when she was one of the early leaders for it and saw/felt the blowback from both sides, that’s years of conditioning to stay away from that topic. Lastly, half these fukks are the ones voting down Obama care without knowing how they benefitted from it because “it’s welfare for the lazy”, you’re thinking logic when the working class whites, especially as you get into exurban areas, are not thinking logically. “Culture” >>> policies, please stop acting like you haven’t seen this.

And yes, white fear >>> white woman. She’s attached to a party that in the previous four years was known as a minority coalition, fighting for bathroom rights, etc. the shyt dems were making waves for directly reflected a threat to Christian, heartland white norms. So yes, trump was able to play up white populism and swoop in.

More progressive policies weren’t going to win that swath over, they needed to hear things just for them, trump spoke just to white folks. She definitely could’ve spent more time there, no doubt, but 2016 was a learning point for both sides as it was an inflection point in elections that comes along every 20 years or so, had trump not been the candidate, someone focused on white identity politics, maybe the switch wouldn’t have happened, but we all clearly learned a lesson - white people want their country back.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

She went to bat early in her career for universal healthcare, and was told to shut the fukk up, sit down and play the background, people felt she was endangering her husband’s career. So miss me with the universal health care shyt when she was one of the early leaders for it and saw/felt the blowback from both sides, that’s years of conditioning to stay away from that topic. Lastly, half these fukks are the ones voting down Obama care without knowing how they benefitted from it because “it’s welfare for the lazy”, you’re thinking logic when the working class whites, especially as you get into exurban areas, are not thinking logically. “Culture” >>> policies, please stop acting like you haven’t seen this.

And yes, white fear >>> white woman. She’s attached to a party that in the previous four years was known as a minority coalition, fighting for bathroom rights, etc. the shyt dems were making waves for directly reflected a threat to Christian, heartland white norms. So yes, trump was able to play up white populism and swoop in.

More progressive policies weren’t going to win that swath over, they needed to hear things just for them, trump spoke just to white folks. She definitely could’ve spent more time there, no doubt, but 2016 was a learning point for both sides as it was an inflection point in elections that comes along every 20 years or so, had trump not been the candidate, someone focused on white identity politics, maybe the switch wouldn’t have happened, but we all clearly learned a lesson - white people want their country back.

So your saying she lacks conviction and backbone and abandon something she believed in. Also, not desirable.
Obama won those Midwestern states so all this white fear shyt makes no sense.
I just fundamentally disagree. Progressive policies would have won in my opinion. 9/10 Dems and 6/10 Republicans want universal healthcare. Most people want to end US interventions in other countries, 8/10 people want to use the military as a last resort and 6/10 think military aid to foreign nations is counter-productive, 6/10 people want public infrastructure spending, 7/10 Americans support increasing the minimum wage to $15/hour. Etc. But the Dems don't run on these issues instead they want to talk about transgender bathrooms and conversations about race because these issues won't upset their donor base.
And the Supreme Court was so important Obma just let the Republicans stop him from getting his nominee even voted on.
We tried their way for 25 + years and now we got Trump. Not even saying it is definite Progressive policies would win but let's TRY something else. Doing the same thing that got us here is stupid.

 

[NZA]

And make posts like this just telling you to vote blue no matter what? Do the DNC even pay as well as those paid GOP members? What's the end game here?

im just surprised people think talking to voters like this actually works

 

[88m3]

So your saying she lacks conviction and backbone and abandon something she believed in. Also, not desirable.
Obama won those Midwestern states so all this white fear shyt makes no sense.
I just fundamentally disagree. Progressive policies would have won in my opinion. 9/10 Dems and 6/10 Republicans want universal healthcare. Most people want to end US interventions in other countries, 8/10 people want to use the military as a last resort and 6/10 think military aid to foreign nations is counter-productive, 6/10 people want public infrastructure spending, 7/10 Americans support increasing the minimum wage to $15/hour. Etc. But the Dems don't run on these issues instead they want to talk about transgender bathrooms and conversations about race because these issues won't upset their donor base.
And the Supreme Court was so important Obma just let the Republicans stop him from getting his nominee even voted on.
We tried their way for 25 + years and now we got Trump. Not even saying it is definite Progressive policies would win but let's TRY something else. Doing the same thing that got us here is stupid.

Not an honest argument in sight

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Not an honest argument in sight

Where am I lying?

 

[Paper Boi]

i'm suspect of anyone who isn't anti-capitalist or anti-american foreign policy.


that being said, electorally you should always vote democrat over republican. however in a primary situation, if you're still supporting establishment dems... jokes on you.

 

[ogc163]

Smh almost 3 years later and the argument by the incrementalism crowd hasn't really changed. I also think progressives overstate the popularity of their ideas and how effective it is in relation to undermining white resentment/ entitlement. I'm just not seeing a message that can get the left the White House in 2020, the internal beef only amplifies the lack of a winning message. Lol this dude Trump is about to win 2020 with ease.

 

[King Sun]

i'm suspect of anyone who isn't anti-capitalist or anti-american foreign policy.


that being said, electorally you should always vote democrat over republican. however in a primary situation, if you're still supporting establishment dems... jokes on you.

Which is why I wonder why make the post in the first place? Most people that voted for bernie voted for HRC too