Whats wrong with the Libertarians?

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They don't defend minority rights
This.

Which party does?

Fair enough, but Libertarians are the only ones I see that will make the argument (as an example) that small business owners should be allowed to not serve Black people/Mexicans/etc, based on the logic of "Well, people will just stop eating there if it's wrong, and the free market will decide."

They're the only crowd I've seen that seem to suggest that segregation would have ended on its own, because the South was about to realize that it wasn't in its best interest.

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Johnson responded to the BLM question in a more genuine way than Trump's ranting or Hillary's scripted and focus-audience tested responses.

If you would like some books and articles on Libertarianism, shoot me a PM or let me know and I'll post some your way.
I think the RNC and DNC lackies and those invested in the current structure, love to try to use jokes and denigrate the movement, because its an actual threat.
You can sort of see in this thread how people who clearly have no idea about what the movement contains, have no problem throwing out knowingly false statements just because that has been what they are told and that is all they need to hear.
 

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This.



Fair enough, but Libertarians are the only ones I see that will make the argument (as an example) that small business owners should be allowed to not serve Black people/Mexicans/etc, based on the logic of "Well, people will just stop eating there if it's wrong, and the free market will decide."

They're the only crowd I've seen that seem to suggest that segregation would have ended on its own, because the South was about to realize that it wasn't in its best interest.

:heh:

Libertarians hold that the same rights blacks have to not support groups we don't want to be associated with, ie voluntary segregation, should be held by everyone.
Its basically what Malcolm X and the NoI argued, voluntary separation, not forced segregation.
The black man that you're not familiar with is the one that we would like to point out now. He is a new type. He is the type that seldom the white man ever comes into contact with. And when you do come into contact with him you're shocked because you didn't know that this type of black man existed. And immediately you think, "Well here's one of those black supremacists or racists or extremists who believe in violence and all that other kind of..." Well, that's what they call it.

This new type of black man, he doesn't want integration; he wants separation. Not segregation, separation. To him, segregation, as we're taught by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, means that which is forced upon inferiors by superiors. A segregated community is a Negro community. But the white community, though it's all white, is never called a segregated community. It's a separate community. In the white community, the white man controls the economy, his own economy, his own politics, his own everything. That's his community. But at the same time while the Negro lives in a separate community, it's a segregated community. Which means it's regulated from the outside by outsiders. The white man has all of the businesses in the Negro community. He runs the politics of the Negro community. He controls all the civic organizations in the Negro community. This is a segregated community.

We don't go for segregation. We go for separation. Separation is when you have your own. You control your own economy; you control your own politics; you control your own society; you control your own everything. You have yours and you control yours; we have ours and we control ours.

They don't call Chinatown in New York City or on the West Coast a segregated community, yet it's all Chinese. But the Chinese control it. Chinese voluntarily live there, they control it. They run it. They have their own schools. They control their own politics, control their own industry. And they don't feel like they're being made inferior because they have to live to themselves. They choose to live to themselves. They live there voluntarily. And they are doing for themselves in their community the same thing you do for yourself in your community. This makes them equal because they have what you have. But if they didn't have what you have, then they'd be controlled from your side; even though they would be on their side, they'd be controlled from your side by you.

So when we who follow the Honorable Elijah Muhammad say that we're for separation, it should be emphasized we're not for segregation; we're for separation. We want the same for ourselves as you have for yourselves. And when we get it, then it's possible to think more intelligently and to think in terms that are along peaceful lines. But a man who doesn't have what is his, he can never think always in terms that are along peaceful lines.

Now I'm sure you wouldn't call this crazy, but it seems you all do when libertarians say it.
 

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Fair enough, but Libertarians are the only ones I see that will make the argument (as an example) that small business owners should be allowed to not serve Black people/Mexicans/etc, based on the logic of "Well, people will just stop eating there if it's wrong, and the free market will decide."

They're the only crowd I've seen that seem to suggest that segregation would have ended on its own, because the South was about to realize that it wasn't in its best interest.

:heh:
Precisely. History is nice to them since they claim they'd have supported the oppressed people of history but they ignore the present struggles and injustices of people who deserve protection and equality under the law.

They take the selfishness of the individual for granted or see themselves as being indicative of everyone else's degree of altruism. It's bullshyt b
 

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Libertarians hold that the same rights blacks have to not support groups we don't want to be associated with, ie voluntary segregation, should be held by everyone.
Its basically what Malcolm X and the NoI argued, voluntary separation, not forced segregation.


Now I'm sure you wouldn't call this crazy, but it seems you all do when libertarians say it.
This is a vast misrepresentation.

Black people were seeking equality not supremacy. We only create our own communities out of sheer survival pressure. Libertarians see this as a good idea. It's not. It's the result of massive systemic inequality.
 
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The government will create a problem, then after decades of ruining people's lives with said problems they will "solve" it pat themselves on the back take a photo op and say "this is why we need government"

You will see this when the war on drugs ends
I'm not anti government. I'm pro good government and the efforts of maintaining government is hard work. Libertarians just keep using low brow arguments of abolition of responsibility and liability instead of investing in the process
 

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This is a vast misrepresentation.

Black people were seeking equality not supremacy. We only criticism eated our own communities out of sheer survival pressure. Libertarians see this as a good idea. It's not. It's the result of massive systemic inequality.

Not a misrepresentation at all.
Its about equality, if I own something its my right as the owner to say who can and who can not enter what is mine.
If we apply that to the home because it is private property, it can apply to everything else considered private property, like business and etc.

I don't understand your second sentence.

Libertarians see non aggression and allowing owners of property to be the managers of their property. That is it. You are adding extra because it seems you want forced acceptance from others.

You will find no greater ally that is anti systematic inequality and the very system you dislike than Libertarians, its just you want your ideas and wants accepted with force of the state, and we typically reject the application of force or threat of force for all manners outside of defense. If your response to that is well its defense to make a person serve me, I would say you are entirely wrong to the point you don't know what defense is.
 

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If you would like some books and articles on Libertarianism, shoot me a PM or let me know and I'll post some your way.
I think the RNC and DNC lackies and those invested in the current structure, love to try to use jokes and denigrate the movement, because its an actual threat.
You can sort of see in this thread how people who clearly have no idea about what the movement contains, have no problem throwing out knowingly false statements just because that has been what they are told and that is all they need to hear.
Yeah, breh. Thats what I kind of figured. The established parties demonize them to keep them marginalized.
 

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They're either paranoid hairy-backed bologne sandwich-eating 2-way radio carrying inbred cousins of Hacksaw Jim Duggan who watch for black helicopters with nighttime binoculars or entitled dikkheads who are too swagless to even be hipsters who walk around with copies of Atlas Shrugged and whose very words possess the power to make vaginas dry.

Gary Johnson is neither of those things.

I do, however, admit that there is a significant difference between libertarian philosophy and the type of people who actually join the libertarian party.
 

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If your basic question is who will provide security, I would prefer private security contractors bound by local law (no state, doesn't equal no government) depending on your area also could be a volunteer security agency. Plenty of ways to go with that, which is good with me, many options at solving the problem is a good thing.
Who pays these security contractors?
 

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What do you want to know
I'm a libertarian, but i'm of the anacap variety
Government isn't for the decent person. It's for the immoral selfish a$$hole who would fukk it up for the 90% of people

Think about every single law. It's to protect the vast majority of people from the Minority of people engaging in bullshyt.
 

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Not a misrepresentation at all.
Its about equality, if I own something its my right as the owner to say who can and who can not enter what is mine.
If we apply that to the home because it is private property, it can apply to everything else considered private property, like business and etc.

I don't understand your second sentence.

Libertarians see non aggression and allowing owners of property to be the managers of their property. That is it. You are adding extra because it seems you want forced acceptance from others.

You will find no greater ally that is anti systematic inequality and the very system you dislike than Libertarians, its just you want your ideas and wants accepted with force of the state, and we typically reject the application of force or threat of force for all manners outside of defense. If your response to that is well its defense to make a person serve me, I would say you are entirely wrong to the point you don't know what defense is.
These notions of accepted premises you keep trotting out ARE the role of government. You just keep assuming society at large will reach the same conclusions without any legal enforcement
 
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