Whats wrong with the Libertarians?

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

They don't defend minority rights

Minority right cannot be put into jeopardy without the governments complicity at the very least.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Minority right cannot be put into jeopardy without the governments complicity at the very least.

Doesn't matter. I've seen prominent libertarians advocate neglect towards Minority populations under the guise that since white people would have the opportunity to do what they want, that if black people don't get it together it's on their problem alone. But we all know that that doesn't equate to white people not actually intervening to remove resources and opportunities from minority communities. It's blatantly disingenuous

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

voluntaryism doesn't have to be capitalist it can be communist, as the name suggest as long as there is no compulsion in the community it is acceptable.
You can have a anacap community, a communist community, and etc.

So this is all a thought experiment when you get to pick all the players who magically agree with you on everything.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What about somalia would classify it as a success?

Sad part about somalia though is after the state in control failed, the living standards increased, fukked up isn't it.
Even as fukked as somalia is, it was better after the state failed than it was during it.
Somalia: Failed State, Economic Success? | Benjamin Powell

Sounds like a libertarians wet dream. Self interest all over the place.

 

[David_TheMan]

So this is all a thought experiment when you get to pick all the players who magically agree with you on everything.

Its a suggested alternative method of government.
Not too hard to comprehend if you actually read and comprehend what is being written.
If you ignore and simply fill in your own argument, I could see how you would be lost, like you are.

Sounds like a libertarians wet dream. Self interest all over the place.

Why does it sound like a libertarian wet dream, or a statist wet dream? Both types of government failed the populace.

 

[Chipdeez]

Which party does?

All parties
As long as you pay them. Gays with Obama, Jews with everyone....

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Its a suggested alternative method of government.
Not too hard to comprehend if you actually read and comprehend what is being written.
If you ignore and simply fill in your own argument, I could see how you would be lost, like you are.

Why does it sound like a libertarian wet dream, or a statist wet dream? Both types of government failed the populace.

What makes it alternative?

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

Doesn't matter. I've seen prominent libertarians advocate neglect towards Minority populations under the guise that since white people would have the opportunity to do what they want, that if black people don't get it together it's on their problem alone. But we all know that that doesn't equate to white people not actually intervening to remove resources and opportunities from minority communities. It's blatantly disingenuous

Doesnt matter is not a viable counter to any argument..Why doesnt it matter ? what doesnt matter? does reality matter?

Leaving people ALONE is NOT neglect....you have grown accustomed to the paternalistic attitude of liberals that the govt should "do something" for everyone

Frederick Douglass Project Writings: What Shall Be Done with the Slaves If Emancipated? | RBSCP

Our answer is, do nothing with them; mind your business, and let them mind theirs. Your doing with them is their greatest misfortune. They have been undone by your doings, and all they now ask, and really have need of at your hands, is just to let them alone. They suffer by every interference, and succeed best by being let alone. The Negro should have been let alone in Africa—let alone when the pirates and robbers offered him for sale in our Christian slave markets— (more cruel and inhuman than the Mohammedan slave markets)—let alone by courts, judges, politicians, legislators and slavedrivers—let alone altogether, and assured that they were thus to be let alone forever, and that they must now make their own way in the world, just the same as any and every other variety of the human family.
---Fredric Douglass

 

[David_TheMan]

What makes it alternative?

alternative
noun
noun: alternative; plural noun: alternatives
1.
one of two or more available possibilities.
"audiocassettes are an interesting alternative to reading"
synonyms: option, choice, other possibility;

What makes it an alternative, its another possibility or choice rather than the current, the state.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

One of my friends is like this. You described him to a tee. It's almost kind of scary.

Exactly!

I have two close friends that are Libertarians, and they both have many things in common. One is white, one is half white and half Korean, and they both are upper middle class, and live in parts of the country that are very progressive.

What you bolded is so true. They're awesome people, but sometimes when I've told them some of the stuff I've seen said and done to black people in my lifetime down in the south, they are shocked, and think I'm exaggerating.

If everything was up to each individual state to decide...There are parts of the south still in 2016 that would easily and openly discriminate against black people and other minorities, be proud of it, and get away with it. I don't at all think it's a given that slavery or segregation would have "died out on its own."

Hell, in NC the majority of the state is against this HB2 bill that our idiot governor passed, and he will probably not get re-elected, but it's not a given that he'll get voted out of office, despite his unpopularity. There are still so many backwards ass people here when you get out of the major cities.

When confronted with this info, these Libertarian friends commonly say, "Well, it's easier to move out of a state if you don't like how things are there than it is to leave the country." Okay, maybe so, but again, they are upper middle class, and they are acting like it's easy to just uproot and leave a state. The type of people that might want to leave a state like Mississippi for a better life somewhere else are precisely the people that do not have the means to do so.

So again, they're taking their own situation of having the ability to easily move them and/or their families across state lines and projecting it as if that's a reality for most of this country. It's not.

Also, state govt. doesn't exactly attract the best and brightest.

The aforementioned friend that I talked about is half colombian and half white. Even in college his boys pointed out how he looked "Mexican"() when he stayed in the sun too long so he purposely always stayed out of the sun so that he wouldn't get dark. Otherwise dude would have the same complexion as me!

But I pointed that shyt out to him and he would GET PISSED because he never considered himself "half colombian" because that was his Dad's side of the family and his pops left him when he was young so he always considered himself "white".

I always reminded him that if his Libertarian fantasies came to fruition, he would not enjoy the same lifestyle that he has now because one afternoon at the beach would make him stick out like a sore thumb to his white peers...and then he'd be at their mercy when it came to "equality"

Mind you this is a dude who grew up in Eastern PA in Allentown or the nicer suburban areas rather...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

alternative
noun
noun: alternative; plural noun: alternatives
1.
one of two or more available possibilities.
"audiocassettes are an interesting alternative to reading"
synonyms: option, choice, other possibility;

What makes it an alternative, its another possibility or choice rather than the current, the state.

You did not explain why or how libertarianism, is an alternative

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Doesnt matter is not a viable counter to any argument..Why doesnt it matter ? what doesnt matter? does reality matter?

Leaving people ALONE is NOT neglect....you have grown accustomed to the paternalistic attitude of liberals that the govt should "do something" for everyone

Segregation is not an answer when those who are oppressed aren't equally represented and are subjected to indirect social pressures of marginalization.

Don't play games with me.

 

[David_TheMan]

You did not explain why or how libertarianism, is an alternative

Yes I have actually, the whole thread I've been showing you and telling you how libertarianism (anacap) variety is an alternative to the state.
If you don't want to read that is fine, but that is on you, its all there for you to go back over and read.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Segregation is not an answer when those who are oppressed aren't equally represented and are subjected to indirect social pressures of marginalization.

Don't play games with me.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yes I have actually, the whole thread I've been showing you and telling you how libertarianism (anacap) variety is an alternative to the state.
If you don't want to read that is fine, but that is on you, its all there for you to go back over and read.

No. Show me. Directly.