What's your stance on using Ai to create music?

[PS5 Pro]

I personally was like but like most things in life, we all have opinions before we even try things.
With that said, I was listening to the radio and the overall quality of music I was hearing was... upsetting.
What they try to pass off as hip-hop or R&B these days is often a parody of what it once was. I'd name them if I could.
So all of that leads us to me eventually trying out an app to fukk around with it. I been writing to instrumentals for 20yrs at this point
I just enjoy doing shyt like that in my free time, and I have a bunch of shyt just laying around. So I put in a "verse" I wrote 5yrs ago
Sounded pretty good imo, so I added another verse and now I have my entry to combat "Take your time, what's the rush... Baby I'm a dog, I'm a Mutt"
Seems like they play that song every hour STILL.Even that song be on some simp shyt imo but I'm the illest nikka in nebraska

So the overall idea, the name comes from my brother (RIP) and his father who was an actual singer by the name of Tony Drake
And I'll release the full album on my brothers birthday (12/16) assuming I am satisfied with it.
And after creating some songs, I have changed my stance somewhat. If its original content, I can dig it.
So with that said, let me introduce to you. Sammie Drake...



What is YOUR stance on using Ai in music creation, Yahway or Nahway?

 

[Kamikaze Revy]

In the context of your thread; I find generative AI (music, graphics, assets, etc) to be ethically and morally offensive.
AI doesn't "create" anything.
AI steals the hard work of actual human beings and repackages it as its own.
A large chunk of consumers don't seem to care because in the short term they don't see the damage, or feel the "benefit" far outweighs the damage.
There needs to be regulation ASAP.
Pharell got sued by the Al Greene estate behind Blurred Lines because the song had a similar sound a feel.
Meanwhile, AI can get away with it and no one seems to bat an eye.
You ask me, and I'm gonna point out how regulation seems to mainly apply to black culture and black creatives, but when a white led tech company wants to steal, it's apparently acceptable and we all just need to get over it.
How long has hip hop been raped behind sample clearances?
You can't write a book using other people's ideas without proper sources being cited.
I just don't understand how knowing what we know historically about IP why we're just so casually dismissing any concerns about the rampant AI theft going on right in front of us.

 

[winb83]

I have zero problems with AI in general. It's the evolution of technology and people should get over it. As long as it's identified as AI fine with me.

In the context of your thread; I find generative AI (music, graphics, assets, etc) to be ethically and morally offensive.
AI doesn't "create" anything.
AI steals the hard work of actual human beings and repackages it as its own.
A large chunk of consumers don't seem to care because in the short term they don't see the damage, or feel the "benefit" far outweighs the damage.
There needs to be regulation ASAP.
Pharell got sued by the Al Greene estate behind Blurred Lines because the song had a similar sound a feel.
Meanwhile, AI can get away with it and no one seems to bat an eye.
You ask me, and I'm gonna point out how regulation seems to mainly apply to black culture and black creatives, but when a white led tech company wants to steal, it's apparently acceptable and we all just need to get over it.
How long has hip hop been raped behind sample clearances?
You can't write a book using other people's ideas without proper sources being cited.
I just don't understand how knowing what we know historically about IP why we're just so casually dismissing any concerns about the rampant AI theft going on right in front of us.

As a person that watches TV, movies, plays video games, and reads novels creators steal from each other all the time. There aren't many original ideas left in the world. I've watched media works that are an obvious combination of other media works.

 

[Wildin]

It's just technology and capitalism.

Out of jazz and blues came bebop, rock and roll and funk, shyt then we got DJ'S, hip hop, sampling.

Those were humans going against the grain of what was out and popular.

AI isn't going to create some new sub genre or push the boundaries. It's going to use templates of what's already out there.

 

[Digital Shaman]

Well people already "steal" and "borrow" from other people's work. Using AI still requires some sort of direction from the user. If I used AI to create a bunch of art and then used them as a referrence point to make art myself did I still "steal" their work ?

 

[PS5 Pro]

In the context of your thread; I find generative AI (music, graphics, assets, etc) to be ethically and morally offensive.
AI doesn't "create" anything.
AI steals the hard work of actual human beings and repackages it as its own.

Then what do you call procedurally generated levels in gaming?
That's all that is happening here. I get it, we've all heard of instances where things went left somehow.
But I feel you are going full extremist with the view which is where everyone begins

A large chunk of consumers don't seem to care because in the short term they don't see the damage, or feel the "benefit" far outweighs the damage.
There needs to be regulation ASAP.
Pharell got sued by the Al Greene estate behind Blurred Lines because the song had a similar sound a feel.
Meanwhile, AI can get away with it and no one seems to bat an eye.

You have now reduced all of what Ai can do to what Pharrell and Robin Thicke did
Can Ai copy exactly any style if that is the goal? Yes
But the same way it can alter the voice to sound like somebody, it can also just as easily sound like nobody.
Or EVERYBODY. There's no voice it can't do, there's always been voice synthesizers that change pitch/etc.
Ai can do all that on the fly so while what you're saying can be achieved, its an exception. Not the rule

You ask me, and I'm gonna point out how regulation seems to mainly apply to black culture and black creatives, but when a white led tech company wants to steal, it's apparently acceptable and we all just need to get over it.
How long has hip hop been raped behind sample clearances?
You can't write a book using other people's ideas without proper sources being cited.
I just don't understand how knowing what we know historically about IP why we're just so casually dismissing any concerns about the rampant AI theft going on right in front of us.

Its not really what you're saying tho. In terms of music, is most of the music or any of it Ai generated? I wouldn't be shocked.
Cuz I'm telling you, the shyt they are playing now is beyond garbage (I'm talking radio)
And I feel I proved to myself what I can do with it.

If you have the talent to sing, then you'll want to record yourself because it makes you happy to create. On the flip side, lots of music isn't written by the artist. Lots of people have had their songs stolen from them just because they didn't have the look the industry is looking for
Milli Vanilli will forever be a thing
I guess basically what I'm saying is I'd rather hear Styles P than an Ai Styles P even if he wrote it. But I'd rather hear a dope song from a nobody than for that dope song to never leave his notebook.
AI isn't human, so it can't convey real life human emotions like humans can/do. You can tell it lacks a soul in that way.

It's just technology and capitalism.

Out of jazz and blues came bebop, rock and roll and funk, shyt then we got DJ'S, hip hop, sampling.

Those were humans going against the grain of what was out and popular.

AI isn't going to create some new sub genre or push the boundaries. It's going to use templates of what's already out there.

I disagree. The same way math is used to calculate things including sometimes future events.
It can do similar in this space, we dealing with supercomputers now

 

[Wildin]

Then what do you call procedurally generated levels in gaming?
That's all that is happening here. I get it, we've all heard of instances where things went left somehow.
But I feel you are going full extremist with the view which is where everyone begins

You have now reduced all of what Ai can do to what Pharrell and Robin Thicke did
Can Ai copy exactly any style if that is the goal? Yes
But the same way it can alter the voice to sound like somebody, it can also just as easily sound like nobody.
Or EVERYBODY. There's no voice it can't do, there's always been voice synthesizers that change pitch/etc.
Ai can do all that on the fly so while what you're saying can be achieved, its an exception. Not the rule

Its not really what you're saying tho. In terms of music, is most of the music or any of it Ai generated? I wouldn't be shocked.
Cuz I'm telling you, the shyt they are playing now is beyond garbage (I'm talking radio)
And I feel I proved to myself what I can do with it.

If you have the talent to sing, then you'll want to record yourself because it makes you happy to create. On the flip side, lots of music isn't written by the artist. Lots of people have had their songs stolen from them just because they didn't have the look the industry is looking for
Milli Vanilli will forever be a thing
I guess basically what I'm saying is I'd rather hear Styles P than an Ai Styles P even if he wrote it. But I'd rather hear a dope song from a nobody than for that dope song to never leave his notebook.
AI isn't human, so it can't convey real life human emotions like humans can/do. You can tell it lacks a soul in that way.

I disagree. The same way math is used to calculate things including sometimes future events.
It can do similar in this space, we dealing with supercomputers now

That's not how music is made though.

Artists like Jimi hendrix, j dilla they played music in time, however they played with a certain amount of natural swing therefore if you use a metronome or put their notes on a time grid, they don't line up perfectly. Some are just enough too soon or just enough late that it creates a pocket or a groove and it just sounds right.

Perfect example Jimi hendrix, little wing. A lot of people can play the notes. But since they are rudimentary guitar players, they play on time. When you play that song in time, it sounds similar like "oh, that's little wing" but it doesn't sound right.

When you look at jazz and bebop. Artists like Charlie parker would let the rhythm play then jump in on the 11th bar and make the rhythm sound like it was on the 1 and 3 instead of the 2 and 4.

There's certain intricacies that AI just can't get down right because humans play with emotion. There is a lot of ghost notes and intermittent harmonies that's really driven by mood, or sometimes necessity, especially if you are playing live, particularly if you are playing with a singer.

That's just the instrumentation portion. We aren't even talking about vocals and actual singing.





AI can do a decent job, it can provide arrangements that still require some tinkering. And a live performer can add some stuff but it ain't correct off the bat and people can listen and tell on both instrumentals and vocals.

 

[spacewraith]

I don't like it. Further removes musicality that's already missing in some genres.

 

[Wildin]

Here is some AI music my boy and me put together on the fly. He wrote all the lyrics, I chose I guess the sound/tone/style.

4 song ep

Its not a final draft I just uploaded some audio of the songs from my phone.

@PS5 Pro

 

[PS5 Pro]

That's not how music is made though.

Artists like Jimi hendrix, j dilla they played music in time, however they played with a certain amount of natural swing therefore if you use a metronome or put their notes on a time grid, they don't line up perfectly. Some are just enough too soon or just enough late that it creates a pocket or a groove and it just sounds right.

Perfect example Jimi hendrix, little wing. A lot of people can play the notes. But since they are rudimentary guitar players, they play on time. When you play that song in time, it sounds similar like "oh, that's little wing" but it doesn't sound right.

When you look at jazz and bebop. Artists like Charlie parker would let the rhythm play then jump in on the 11th bar and make the rhythm sound like it was on the 1 and 3 instead of the 2 and 4.

There's certain intricacies that AI just can't get down right because humans play with emotion. There is a lot of ghost notes and intermittent harmonies that's really driven by mood, or sometimes necessity, especially if you are playing live, particularly if you are playing with a singer.

That's just the instrumentation portion. We aren't even talking about vocals and actual singing.





AI can do a decent job, it can provide arrangements that still require some tinkering. And a live performer can add some stuff but it ain't correct off the bat and people can listen and tell on both instrumentals and vocals.

I strongly disagree. That's why Ai is "scary" to some people because it does a really good job of doing what you say it can't do.
I made a song earlier today, or even the song posted. The emotion you hear in the song, I wrote it and the Ai had to feel it to spit it out the way I want it to. I have made a dozen versions of that song just so I can get the right one. But oddly I've noticed that it gets really close the first time, half the time. To the point that I would rather finish the song completely before I create. Because the early unfinished version is often perfect. And SUNO doesn't smoothly just allow you to add. It alters things each time, but you can go to advanced options and limit that. But it still happens.
And one of the choices under advanced is a setting called "Weird" and it varies off to more random human like elements to make each new version unique. So I hear you but I feel that is a blanket statement you made there by guy

I don't like it. Further removes musicality that's already missing in some genres.

Could you give a real world example where that has happened
And Musicality been missing from all genres because everything is and has always been controlled by cacs in suits.
shyt is watered down beyond belief. Everything has been commericalized. AI might be the last place you'll find something REAL these days
Cuz the real is real fake. This is how realness is packaged...

Spoiler

"Realness... Brought to you by: Exxon and Trader Joes"

 

[PS5 Pro]

Let me add this... I'm not stating that Ai created music should replace the way we make music.
And I agree Ai by itself cannot connect with us in a way that would resonate with the realest of the human experience right.
Temperatures Rising is the realest hip-hop song every made imo. AI couldn't create that
It couldn't create 2 a days, that's all from chapters in my life

But I'm glad I was able to create 2 a days because the first verse I wrote back in 2020, pre covid.
When Knxwledge dropped this joint...


So I'm more for it now that I have actually used it. IF we intelligently use this technology? Well.. The D.O.C. could have stayed with NWA after the accident. Beanie Sigel could have benefited as well. This Autotune

Spoiler

Not a fan of Autotune either but its here

 

[SymbolicOne09]

Like sampling its a tool i got more respect if you chop it up/be creative with it then just loop or be bland... good music is good music at the end of the day

 

[daze23]

I just doubt it's gonna make something I want to listen to

 

[Damnshow]

It's a big no. I appreciate real talent, not this machine learning crap. If you feel like there isn't enough music for you to check, then you should try other genres because there is plenty of real music that you may find interesting. AI is garbage.

 

[Wildin]

I strongly disagree. That's why Ai is "scary" to some people because it does a really good job of doing what you say it can't do.
So I hear you but I feel that is a blanket statement you made there by guy

It can't do "live" versions of songs. I mean, I guess you could make a dozen different type of "live" versions.

There are many songs that were recorded live, that are so good they are added to albums. That's a moment that's caught. Hell there are iconic tv performances that are turned into singles and albums. AI can't do that.

Prince jumping in a track and adding guitar or bass. Eric clapton, John lennon, Keith richards and mitch mitchell on one track or a few songs.

That's magic, that's lightning in a bottle.















The thing is, most people use AI to make music for private consumption.

That's not gonna stop music labels from using AI and pushing AI artists, songs and music.

But people are sick of bullshyt and are making their own.