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What does having a baby with somebody have to do with loving them and vowing to stick with them for the rest of your life no matter what?,im guessing that's what you were getting at:mjpls:

Having the title "baby mama" is a social stigma for black women and places a ceiling on the growth of said woman....
If you love and care for a woman and plan on sticking with her for the rest of your life, why stigmatize her? Why not marry her if you doing the same thing as a marriage anyways?...
 

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Having the title "baby mama" is a social stigma for black women and places a ceiling on the growth of said woman....
If you love and care for a woman and plan on sticking with her for the rest of your life, why stigmatize her? Why not marry her if you doing the same thing as a marriage anyways?...

So women out here forcing themselves and others into lifelong contracts so they can avoid social stigmas:heh:...Just as I expected and why I don't feel the need to do that shyt:pachaha:...Like I said,i WILL do it if it would make her feel better about this "stigma" one day.

I cant help it nikkas constantly talking shyt about they baby mamas have caused that phrase to be seen in a negative light in the eyes of black women.....its simply that way because baby mama/baby daddy relationships are more common in our community....but disfunction is disfunction....lets say husband/wives became more common in our community...it would just be a bunch of nikkas talkin shyt about they wives and ex wives:laff:....im sorry a lot of black women haven't got a chance to experience it,but I can tell them that the word "ex wife" "wife/ball and chain" aint any less stigmatizing if you could hear the tone in which husbands/ex husbands use it when talking about they women:laff:

My tone is very loving when I talk about my baby mama 95% of the time:mjpls:...but yea,let me get married cuz these other nikkas is negative when they talking about theirs:rudy:.




and if its about whether I intend on staying with her for the rest of my life,how come me saying so aint enuff? Swearing in churches we never go too,and signing contracts like the same ones i broke wit Tmobile is supposed to prove something:dahell:
 
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So women out here forcing themselves and others into lifelong contracts so they can avoid social stigmas...

I cant help it nikkas constantly talking shyt about they baby mamas have caused that phrase to be seen in a negative light in the eyes of black women.....its simply that way because baby mama/baby daddy relationships are more common in our community....
My tone is very loving when I talk about my baby mama 95% of the time:mjpls:...but yea,let me get married cuz these other nikkas is negative when they talking about theirs:rudy:.
Swearing in churches we never go too,and signing contracts like the same ones i broke wit Tmobile is supposed to prove something:dahell:

You don't understand how the world works... getting married is not just to avoid social stigmas "in the eyes of black women"...

May I ask what your "baby momma" does and how much she makes? Then compare that to a married woman her age with the same position...

A married woman may be able to be a homemaker and still have health care for herself and her child/children if her husband has a career....
A baby mamma can not receive health care from a baby daddy and must go to court in order to get health care from the baby daddy for her kids(or use welfare healthcare)

Tax benefits are nada for an unmarried pair, power of attorney is nada for an unmarried pair... God-forbid anyone gets hurt... your life-partner can't make critical decisions (hell they may not even be permitted in the damn hospital room), and upon end of life, estates go to parents and siblings for unmarried pair unless it is willed...

If you put your baby mamma as the full beneficiary of your estate in your will, then your ass should have been married all along...

At the end of the day you fully commit to someone you love... that is why you marry...

Negros need to stop half-stepping
 

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You don't understand how the world works... getting married is not just to avoid social stigmas "in the eyes of black women"...

May I ask what your "baby momma" does and how much she makes? Then compare that to a married woman her age with the same position...

A married woman may be able to be a homemaker and still have health care for herself and her child/children if her husband has a career....
A baby mamma can not receive health care from a baby daddy and must go to court in order to get health care from the baby daddy for her kids(or use welfare healthcare)

Tax benefits are nada for an unmarried pair, power of attorney is nada for an unmarried pair... God-forbid anyone gets hurt... your life-partner can't make critical decisions (hell they may not even be permitted in the damn hospital room), and upon end of life, estates go to parents and siblings for unmarried pair unless it is willed...

If you put your baby mamma as the full beneficiary of your estate in your will, then your ass should have been married all along...

At the end of the day you fully commit to someone you love... that is why you marry...

Negros need to stop half-stepping

shes a homemaker/baby sitter for right now,she may go back to work as my daughter gets older:manny:...They got Obama care now:pachaha:,I don't want anybody allowed in the hospital room as im dying,they can come in after im dead:dead:...I don't want her to have power to pull the plug as I do have life insurance:scheme: and I wouldn't want to have to make the decision to kill her at this point....but if a woman came at me logically with the points you made I would say ":interesting:patrice:let me think about it:mjpls:"....and then maybe I could come back to her and let her know after I die and she get all the medical bills and any of my debt she will be on the hook maybe she'll fall back:whoa:.

But yeah im not 100% against it at some point down the line,once im old and stuck in my ways....right now im still kinda young and flexible:youngsabo:...but I don't need it,it'll be her event and I will show up to it to make her happy:manny:....but lets not pretend its about the love and for my happiness,i can verbally commit when its real and I decide to....its for benefits and stigmas:yeshrug:
 

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shes a homemaker/baby sitter for right now,she may go back to work as my daughter gets older:manny:...They got Obama care now:pachaha:,I don't want anybody allowed in the hospital room as im dying,they can come in after im dead:dead:...I don't want her to have power to pull the plug as I do have life insurance:scheme: and I wouldn't want to have to make the decision to kill her at this point....but if a woman came at me logically with the points you made I would say ":interesting:patrice:let me think about it:mjpls:"....and then maybe I could come back to her and let her know after I die and she get all the medical bills and any of my debt she will be on the hook maybe she'll fall back:whoa:.

But yeah im not 100% against it at some point down the line,once im old and stuck in my ways....right now im still kinda young and flexible:youngsabo:...but I don't need it,it'll be her event and I will show up to it to make her happy:manny:....but lets not pretend its about the love and for my happiness,i can verbally commit when its real and I decide to....its for benefits and stigmas:yeshrug:

Reps and Daps for being a Reasonable young man.... But you are conflating a wedding with a marriage... 2 different things...

I agree with you about weddings... They are a waste of time and money... Id rather drop that money on a home or income property/vacation home ...

A child is more of a commitment than marriage... If men have lifetime commitments with "a mistake"... Why can't they commit to monogamy with someone they say they love?
 

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the bottom line is that marriage is about the fiscal and legal advantages. all that "love" and "forever" talk is all game.

nothing wrong with getting married for legal and economic reasons by the way. what we're trying to advocate is that people (both males and females) at least realize and accept these reasons and don't play themselves. it's a legal contract. if you're gonna get into a contract, make sure you're comfortable with all it entails in each potential scenario. don't think "oh, i don't even have to think about scenario C because it'll never happen, because we're in love!!!" :rudy:

when you get married you better think about what if your wife decides to not go back to work after the kid? what if she decides to stop doing her share? what if she doesn't want to fukk anymore? what if she decides to leave you? what if she makes stupid financial decisions? what if she decides she doesn't want to have kids anymore and you do? what if you have to leave her for whatever reason?

think about how the contract you signed is restricting you in some respects. but also think of all the benefits mentioned in other posts in this thread. if you're comfortable with all of this, get married, if not, dont.


one more point some of the things such as power of attorney, wills, etc, you can actually go to a notary and get without getting married. marriage isn't the only option.
 

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the bottom line is that marriage is about the fiscal and legal advantages. all that "love" and "forever" talk is all game.

nothing wrong with getting married for legal and economic reasons by the way. what we're trying to advocate is that people (both males and females) at least realize and accept these reasons and don't play themselves. it's a legal contract. if you're gonna get into a contract, make sure you're comfortable with all it entails in each potential scenario. don't think "oh, i don't even have to think about scenario C because it'll never happen, because we're in love!!!" :rudy:

when you get married you better think about what if your wife decides to not go back to work after the kid? what if she decides to stop doing her share? what if she doesn't want to fukk anymore? what if she decides to leave you? what if she makes stupid financial decisions? what if she decides she doesn't want to have kids anymore and you do? what if you have to leave her for whatever reason?

think about how the contract you signed is restricting you in some respects. but also think of all the benefits mentioned in other posts in this thread. if you're comfortable with all of this, get married, if not, dont.


one more point some of the things such as power of attorney, wills, etc, you can actually go to a notary and get without getting married. marriage isn't the only option.


I definitely advocate communication... If the answers to your questions are all skewed to the negative, then you shouldn't be in a relationship with that person let alone thinking about marriage with them...

My point is if you are getting your baby momma notarized into your will and added to your health care... If that woman is that important to you, why add that stigma of baby momma to her? If she's not good enough to be your wife, then she shouldn't be the bearer of your child... :manny:

Just my opinion though
 

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I definitely advocate communication... If the answers to your questions are all skewed to the negative, then you shouldn't be in a relationship with that person let alone thinking about marriage with them...
but what if some are positive, some are negative? (the most likely scenario since no relationship is perfect)

My point is if you are getting your baby momma notarized into your will and added to your health care... If that woman is that important to you, why add that stigma of baby momma to her? If she's not good enough to be your wife, then she shouldn't be the bearer of your child... :manny:

Just my opinion though
see now you're trying to make it a statement on her value. maybe me choosing to marry or not marry a woman is about my happiness and my circumstances at the moment. you're the one trying to put the focus on her. as far as "adding the stigma", is it me doing this to her or the world? if there is a stigma associated with being black, should i then try to make us white to not add to the stigma?

at the end of the day, it should be about what me and her think and feel and if we're happy. if a woman chooses to have children with me without us being married in the govt's eyes, how am i the one adding the stigma of baby momma to her?
 

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but what if some are positive, some are negative? (the most likely scenario since no relationship is perfect)

see now you're trying to make it a statement on her value. maybe me choosing to marry or not marry a woman is about my happiness and my circumstances at the moment. you're the one trying to put the focus on her. as far as "adding the stigma", is it me doing this to her or the world? if there is a stigma associated with being black, should i then try to make us white to not add to the stigma?
at the end of the day, it should be about what me and her think and feel and if we're happy. if a woman chooses to have children with me without us being married in the govt's eyes, how am i the one adding the stigma of baby momma to her?

If choosing to marry is based solely on your happiness and your circumstances, then might I suggest that marriage just isn't for you... My statements are based on the premise that a man is staying in a relationship with the baby momma without a legal marriage... If you asked a baby momma who "chose" to have a baby out of wedlock, would she choose marriage instead of baby mammahood, 99.9% would choose to marry the father of the child...

So yeah YOU, the man, are placing a negative stereotype on the woman you "love".
The negative impact of the stereotype is played out subversively by society

If it is a mix of positives and negatives, communicate with each other and see where you can find common ground... Relationships and marriages are work... Feel free to make em work
 
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You don't understand how the world works... getting married is not just to avoid social stigmas "in the eyes of black women"...

May I ask what your "baby momma" does and how much she makes? Then compare that to a married woman her age with the same position...

A married woman may be able to be a homemaker and still have health care for herself and her child/children if her husband has a career....
A baby mamma can not receive health care from a baby daddy and must go to court in order to get health care from the baby daddy for her kids(or use welfare healthcare)

Tax benefits are nada for an unmarried pair, power of attorney is nada for an unmarried pair... God-forbid anyone gets hurt... your life-partner can't make critical decisions (hell they may not even be permitted in the damn hospital room), and upon end of life, estates go to parents and siblings for unmarried pair unless it is willed...

If you put your baby mamma as the full beneficiary of your estate in your will, then your ass should have been married all along...

At the end of the day you fully commit to someone you love... that is why you marry...

Negros need to stop half-stepping
I'm not one of those get married brehs but the highlited are wrong.

A father can extend his healthcare to his kids though the baby mam may be out of luck!

Any one can be assigned a power of attorney, and you can even specify the extent of which said power of attorney can be used.

But besides those two everything else seems correct.
 
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