Born2BKing
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So does Iverson, but he not in nobody top 5.Kobe definitely gets more love in real life
When did Jordan Stans become so insecure?
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Ahhh its goalpost moving when your tryna have a conversation with context. Understood.
Rell Shyt
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FromStLouis
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He was supposed to win it all in 2008 - 2009. 66 wins. MVP. #1 Seed. He lost to Dwight Howard in the Conference Finals.
He was supposed to win it all in 2009 - 2010. 61 wins. MVP. #1 Seed. Lost to the Celtics in the Semi Finals. Took his jersey off and ran to Miami.
These seasons get overshadowed by JJ Barrea and 2011 but these are big blemishes on his resume as well.
So we just handwaving away one ring? He also averaged an inefficient 24 PPG the next season against Philly while Shaq was utterly dominant. Kareem gets placed higher than Kobe because of his other accolades.. A guy who won 6 MVPs is going to be placed higher than the dude who won one.
Ozymandeas
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That's not Bron Stans argument. Stop moving the goal posts. The argument yall made was Rings dont count if you not the Finals MVP. Period
I just looked up Kareem's stats too. He averaged 13 points one Finals, 18 points in another Finals and 21 points in another. The reason yall don't bring it up is because yall dumb ass nikkas weren't alive then.
Yall believe LeBron is the GOAT so I'm not surprised the logic is flawed and dumb.
I appreciate the response. That can't fly though I'm talking when he made it to the fianls which of those finals teams was he suppose to beat?
We can't hold playoff games prior to the finals against Bron in these GOAT talks because its neva held against Jordan who was routinely waxed before he made it.
Rell Shyt
Imagine Jordan choking with the #1 seed
That 02-03 season is when Nikkas were like "this dude could pass Jordan
"You're a ring counting casual my nikka, of course you don't understand. The argument is that rings as a secondary/ancillary piece ≠ rings as the fulcrum. Nobody is out here putting Scottie Pippen in top 10 rankings and for good reason. When you're comparing all-time greats, you evaluate the totality of their accomplishments.. So yeah Kareem and Kobe have the same amount of finals MVPs but Kareem has five more MVPsThat's not Bron Stans argument. Stop moving the goal posts. The argument yall made was Rings dont count if you not the Finals MVP. Period
I just looked up Kareem's stats too. He averaged 13 points one Finals, 18 points in another Finals and 21 points in another. The reason yall don't bring it up is because yall dumb ass nikkas weren't alive then.
Of course he's ranked higher.
Ozymandeas
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You're a ring counting casual my nikka, of course you don't understand. The argument is that rings as a secondary/ancillary piece ≠ rings as the fulcrum. Nobody is out here putting Scottie Pippen in top 10 rankings and for good reason. When you're comparing all-time greats, you evaluate the totality of their accomplishments.. So yeah Kareem and Kobe have the same amount of finals MVPs but Kareem has five more MVPs
Blah blah blah. You exposed yourself already. Your logic is swiss cheese. Yall never "evaluate the totality of player's accomplishments" when it comes to Kobe.
I hear dumbasses like you say rings dont count if you don't win Finals MVP. I never heard anyone say rings dont count if you don't win Finals MVP but, they do count if you win some other stuff. Nobody says that jackass. Not only are you stupid, you a liar too
no other sport is someone under 500 in Championships GOAT worthy. That's all.
Damn you really are an idiotBlah blah blah. You exposed yourself already. Your logic is swiss cheese. Yall never "evaluate the totality of player's accomplishments" when it comes to Kobe.
I hear dumbasses like you say rings dont count if you don't win Finals MVP. I never heard anyone say rings dont count if you don't win Finals MVP but, they do count if you win some other stuff. Nobody says that jackass. Not only are you stupid, you a liar too
You do realize we're comparing the 10-15 greatest players to ever play, right? Of course his championships count but we're evaluating how they measure up against other all-time greats. A player who was in the passenger seat for 3 of his 5 rings does not compare favorably to players that were the driving force for multiple championships. Now, If Kobe had six MVPs or other accomplishments of that magnitude to bolster his already impressive career we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But he doesn't and looking at his career for what it is, he isn't as accomplished as a Magic or even a Duncan. There are a lot of inconsistencies with how the internet ranks these players (they often pick and choose when to place a premium on peak vs. longevity) but ya'll always come with the most surface level analysis. You don't just ring count and ignore context.. If that's the case Bill Russell will be the forever GOAT.
TaxCollector13459
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Year 6 Bron with Mo Williams and Delonte West as his two and three = 66 wins, one seed, and an ECF appearanceImagine Jordan choking with the #1 seed
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Year 6 Jordan with Scottie Pippen and Hoarce Grant as his two and three = 47 wins, a 6th seed, and an ECF appearance
I guess MJ gets a pass for doing less with more
