When did this biracial thing actually start to kick in ??

[PuffTheMagicDragon]

Fam, I think they took the word mulatto off the senses like in the 30s. So honestly there was no distinction between a mixed person and a black person for the majority of the 20th century.

They took the word negroe out of the census too but that doesn't mean they didn't acknowledge the difference between a black person and a cac.

 

[Razor Reader]

And somehow the Blacker Than Thou crowd finds a way to say something besides 'you're totally right'.

Something tells me that this "Blacker than thou crowd" isn't a black American. These are probably more or less foreign blacks or second generation black immigrants that don't fully understand things that have impacted black American culture and history.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Over 35...

So am I... why you denying it?...that word was popular as fukk in the 80's...

 

[Razor Reader]

They took the word negroe out of the census too but that doesn't mean they didn't acknowledge the difference between a black person and a cac.

My point is that around that time they stopped acknowledging racial mixture. Either you were black or you weren't.

 

[Razor Reader]

So am I... why you denying it?...that word was popular as fukk in the 80's...

Maybe where you live. I never even heard the word mulatto until the early 90s in history class.

 

[invalid]

So where does culture play into this ? I mean, it's not too many people will blacker than Frederick Douglass and he had at least one white parent and probably a few more down the line.

We going to include him as biracial because, I don't think they're too many black Americans who are prominent in history who are more quintessentially black American than him.

I never noticed this being a thing except on the Coli. I believe everyone has the right to self-identify however they want (granted it's realistic - word to Dolezal).

Identity is tricky among black americans, because you have folks that come from generations of black folks on both sides of the family, but genetically they are split 50/50. Can we legit call these folks biracial if both of their parents were black? This is where culture should be taken into consideration. Everything is not black and white. There is some nuance there. Many of these families just married into other light skin black families generation after generation.

It also should be said, that culture is a unifier. That, in fact, you can be African American and biracial, African American and mixed, and African American and full blooded. The former designating the culture and the latter the genetic makeup. And all of it encompasses Blackness.

For what its worth, many of my older relatives never called themselves "Black". They always referred to themselves as "Coloured" as that was the preferred term pre-civil rights movement that they continued to use.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Maybe where you live. I never even heard the word mulatto until the early 90s in history class.

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[Razor Reader]

I never noticed this being a thing except on the Coli. I believe everyone has the right to self-identify however they want (granted it's realistic - word to Dolezal).

Identity is tricky among black americans, because you have folks that come from generations of black folks on both sides of the family, but genetically they are split 50/50. Can we legit call these folks biracial if both of their parents were black? This is where culture should be taken into consideration. Everything is not black and white. There is some nuance there that should be taken into consideration. Many of these families just married into other light skin families black families generation after generation.

It also should be said, that culture is a unifier. That, in fact, you can be African American and biracial, African American and mixed, and African American and full blooded. The former designating the culture and the latter the genetic makeup. And all of it encompasses Blackness.

For what its worth, many of my older relatives never called themselves "Black". They always referred to themselves as "Coloured" as that was the preferred term pre-civil rights movement that they continued to use.

Good drop. You made some good points about many black families being multi-generational light-skinned blacks. Especially pre civil rights and pre Northern migration. I know their whole counties in places like Virginia where many black people are mixed with white and Native American.
And then there is South Carolina where blacks and light-skinned blacks lived somewhere segregated.

But again this whole thing where biracial letterhead on group in very different from African Americans it's something that popped up within the last 10 to 15 years. If you would go to a light-skin dude in' oh say ,Germantown in Philly tell him he isn't black he would look at you like were was crazy.

 

[Razor Reader]

When the mixed kids started getting raised by white moms instead of being raised by black moms. Back in the day, the white dad had nothing to do with the kids and the mom raised them with us.

Good dry. You made a good point. I'm thinking that a lot of white mothers with with have black children don't want them to be called Black. That must be the driving force behind this ; the white woman's perrogative.

 

[PuffTheMagicDragon]

If you would go to a light-skin dude in' oh say ,Germantown in Philly tell him he isn't black he would look at you like were was crazy.

You keep saying this but you're ignoring a very important piece: If you're biracial you have to have a non-black parent.

If said lightskin dude has 2 black parents obviously he would be taken aback.
We don't call every lightskin biracial. No one calls T.I. or Beyonce biracial.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

So on the west coast you will calling a light skin blacks mulattos left and right like that?

Nobody was calling anybody mullato except as a joke.

You are correct, and this board is full if non-Americans who have never accepted the one drop rule because they never lived it.

Americans did. Black was black. If you were going to pass, it wasn't as mulatto.

I still say the schism happened because more white women were raising black children without the stigmas attached to being the white mother of black children.

Halle and Mario's mothers were of the Civil Rights movement and remembered.

The women born afterwards never knew a time when it was actually illegal to fukk a black man. These white women got welfare, they were not forced to abort or adopt out their black child -- like Kap's mom, apparently the last of the cac women forced to do it.

So they raised their black children as anything but black. Can't be white, no interest in black.

And their black men let them.

The black women with white sperm donors were also sopping to the changed attitudes. Can't be white, don't want to be black. Don't have to be black.

Change happens. There will be less blacks because blacks don't want to be black. Have to adapt, that's all.

And nikkas need to stop worshipping Beyonce Giselle Knowles Carter, a woman who declares herself French and Native American who has seen a drop of neither in 300 years.

 

[Razor Reader]

You keep saying this but you're ignoring a very important piece: If you're biracial you have to have a non-black parent.

If said lightskin dude has 2 black parents obviously he would be taken aback.
We don't call every lightskin biracial. No one calls T.I. or Beyonce biracial.

So a niggga as a black American father, and a Puerto Rican mother that looks like Rosie Perez. Is he biracial ?

 

[Originalman]

They were never called "bi-racial" they were just black. Sometimes they were called mixed or lightbright or redbone. But they were apart of blackness and accepted as such. It's only recently they've tried to separate. That's his point.

Not sure they tried to separate.......more so america is trying to separate them from the black community.

 

[Razor Reader]

Nobody was calling anybody mullato except as a joke.

You are correct, and this board is full if non-Americans who have never accepted the one drop rule because they never lived it.

Americans did. Black was black. If you were going to pass, it wasn't as mulatto.

I still say the schism happened because more white women were raising black children without the stigmas attached to being the white mother of black children.

Halle and Mario's mothers were of the Civil Rights movement and remembered.

The women born afterwards never knew a time when it was actually illegal to fukk a black man. These white women got welfare, they were not forced to abort or adopt out their black child -- like Kap's mom, apparently the last of the cac women forced to do it.

So they raised their black children as anything but black. Can't be white, no interest in black.

And their black men let them.

The black women with white sperm donors were also sopping to the changed attitudes. Can't be white, don't want to be black. Don't have to be black.

Change happens. There will be less blacks because blacks don't want to be black. Have to adapt, that's all.

And nikkas need to stop worshipping Beyonce Giselle Knowles Carter, a woman who declares herself French and Native American who has seen a drop of neither in 300 years.

You make some really good points in this post. A lot of white girls especially in the 90 started getting knocked up by Brothers.

Maybe what we're seeing now is that fall out these kids that have black fathers that were born in the 90s don't really see themselves just black or they wasn't raised around black people.

My next question is why were so many white women who actually had children with black men objected their children being called Black ?

 

[Originalman]

I understand that about the Caribbean and Latin America or whatever. But I'm talking about within the last 15 to 20 years this whole biracial movement that's been going on.

It's like all of the sudden now somebody that's light brown is now no longer black.

I'm damn near 40 and for most of my life the lightest, brightest and yellowest is people was still considered black I'm trying to figure out when and where this break began ?

Bit of divide and conquer as well. With the dropping white numbers in the future expect to see more of this.