"When God was dead for 3 days and 3 nights who was controlling the Universe?" - Ahmed Deedat

[Ducktales]

 

[315]

They brought me in as a substitute for a few days

 

[TL15]

Universe was in sleep mode like when you leave a PS4 on pause for too long

 

[BocaRear]

Who was Jesus praying to?

Himself?

The idea Jesus is god or god's son doesn't hold up to scrutiny

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Most Christians have adopted the Eurocentric version of Christianity,and don't take the bible in with their own discernment. The "Son" is the spirit,so basically the pure conscience of man is the closest thing to god. Its the reason he told them they need to become like children again.

“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
4Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

Now keep in mind that god is also the devil as well,but he is the lower self aspect of god,just like man has that same lower side of ourselves. The bible is not meant to be taken literally but most Christians do,but Jesus may or may not be real,but either way he was just a man. But the purpose of Jesus in the bible is just to let people know that god gave his "son" to man. Jesus is just the highest version that every one of us could hope to reach as man,the quest to reach our purest form.

I forgot about this fukking guy

 

[killacal]

Who was Jesus praying to?

Himself?

The idea Jesus is god or god's son doesn't hold up to scrutiny

He prayed? to himself

 

[CopiousX]

so.....

you're saying God was afraid to die, so he made a clone and sent him on a dummy mission instead?

I know you joking about it, but if you look at it from a logical perspective you aren’t wrong here. This kinda invalidates the significance of his death. As humans, the fact that we have one and only one life is what makes a death significant. It’s low key disrespectful for religious folk to compare the death of a dude with 3 save points in his game to a species with just one.


The logical consequences of this get worse if we review the religious reason behind his the death. If I recall correctly, one life had to be sacrificed by god similar to how Jews sacrificed one whole sheep (to god)in their old temple. That sheep was representative of the flaws of a people. As a substitute for that sheep, god himself was supposed to die so that no more sheep needed to be killed. But Instead of dying in the fullest sense of the term, he sent 1/3rd of himself to die. Now if we flipped the scenario back to the sheep, that would be like the Jews pulling up in church with only some lamb chops as their sacrifice to god, instead of the whole sheep.


Would god himself except this half azzed arrangement?

 

[CopiousX]

if theres life on other planets lightyears away u think he also did the same for each and every one of them?

but instead of turning into a human he turned into a fishman or whatever species they got on them shyts?

@Take It In Blood you were on fire for this whole thread.



But even if we ignore aliens, if I were something simple like an angel, I’d probably be pissed as fck why humans be out here getting all this attention .

He prayed? to himself

shout to my boy wheezy. Who knew Breh was a religious scholar back in 2011?

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Humans exist on earth so he sent his son Jesus to earth, in human form

But wasn't he already on Earth during Genesis

Or was Eden not apart of Earth?

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

Who was Jesus praying to?

Himself?

The idea Jesus is god or god's son doesn't hold up to scrutiny

No you don't understand

See, the son is god. The father is God. The holy spirit is god. They're all the same person, but the son is not the father or holy spirit. The father is not the son or holy spirit. The holy spirit is not the son or the father. They are all completely different people but the same exact person. If you dont believe in that, you're blaspheming. I just don't get why people struggle with such a simple concept

 

[JuvenileHell]

Religion =

 

[Ol’Otis]

Jesus was a messenger

 

[Dave24]

So far as the Muslim stuff, that's even worse. I love my Muslim brothers but I have to be honest with you, Mohammed had a very confused view of Christianity (for instance, he believed that the Trinity was the Father, Mary, and the Son) and he was reacting to that confused partial view. Thus he developed a theology that incorporated large aspects of Christianity (even including Jesus and the Jewish prophets as prophets) but rejecting anything he couldn't understand.

The video in the OP, for instance, he shows a misunderstanding of Christianity almost immediately. He claims that Christians believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all "one person". That's false, as any theologian I've ever read would have been able to tell him. God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three different persons with the same nature, not three persons as the same person. That's basic theology 101. To get that basic thing wrong, right from the start, suggests to me that he's not an intellectually honest debater.

@Rhakim what are the best books you recommend that theologians have written that make the case God exists and Jesus existed?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim what are the best books you recommend that theologians have written that make the case God exists and Jesus existed?

The best book on the historical case for which events of Jesus's life did and didn't happen is "Jesus and the Victory of God", by N.T. Wright. It's some 700+ pages with over a thousand references in the back, but it's fairly readable and as comprehensive as anything you'll see. It's actually the 2nd in a series of five, but you can read it without reading the first book.

I'm not a huge fan of "case that God exists" books, so I haven't read a lot of them. I think whether or not you believe in God is a decision each person comes to on their own and not something that a logical case is going to push you one way or the other one. When I argue it from a logical perspective, I'm more just pointing out to people that the logical case for God exists and is as strong or stronger than the opposite case. I'm not trying to convince them because I don't think such foundational believes are usually changed by other people's arguments anyway.