"When I lived in Iceland, I found a lump..."

[Prince.Skeletor]

I'm wrong that people have to argue with Libertarians because Whoopi is on The View?

Definition of NON SEQUITUR

I never said that
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Strawman Fallacy

 

[MeachTheMonster]

"You. Do. Not. Get. It. That could never work in the United States. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT I KNOW."

"The Market was demanding her death. This government interference will not go unnoticed by Lord Mammon."

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[F K]

college and med school definitely need to be cheaper. But I'm guessing we need to expand med school size too. And hospital internship and residency programs.

But all that only matters if we're producing enough qualified people to get there in the first place. Are high schools even putting out enough science-qualified students ready for a pre-med degree?






While I think that can affect the spending to a degree, it ain't like Idaho/Montana/Wyoming/Utah/North Dakota/South Dakota out there running their state health care systems with any degree of concern for the poor either, and they ain't got no Black people.

We gotta get rid of the ama They are a cartel that keeps the supply artificially low to ensure that doctors get paid out of the wazoo.
Doctor shortages: Here's the real culprit

Medical-school applicants basically need to have near-perfect GPA's and very high MCAT scores to get accepted to an accredited U.S. institution. Even among that much better qualified pool of applicants, only about 50 percent get accepted. Imagine if only half of our high-school grads who applied for college got in to any college — there would be riots at admissions offices every spring.

edit:idk about single payer but we need a public option for sure as the minimum.

 

[JLova]

Canada.... free healthcare. I think it’s great, but the downside is if you go to the hospital be prepared to wait the entire day.

Still, a country like the US should have free healthcare.

 

[Robbie3000]

Y’all should check out this book called “Dying of Whiteness”. The author documents interviews he conducted with people of all classes in several states around the country. You get to hear from cacs why they oppose things like universal healthcare. It always boils down to resentment of “paying” for “others” who obviously don’t deserve it and will take advantage of the system. This suspicion of “others” has been indoctrinated so much that it overrides the biology of self preservation.

One of the saddest interviews was with a unemployed redneck in TN living in gov’t housing and dying of kidney failure. Over the border he could have gotten care in Kentucky because they implemented Obamacare. Asked if he would like TN to implement Obamacare so he could get help, he straight up said no. He felt undeserving people would take advantage of the system.

Can you imagine that? I knew these people existed obviously, but it hit on a visceral level to hear them articulate their thoughts.

 

[Mike_Pipeson]

I didn't read any posts past the 3 poster but I am sure many people argued the population of Iceland and America. Bad example maybe, but I lived in Japan for 3 years. At the time, the country roughly the size of Cali with 45% of America's population with universal health care. I went a few times and never had more wait than in America and dated a nurse...

It's all about capitalism and not about wait times. Many people (white), oppose universal because they don't want to pay for "people who don't deserve it" and illegals.

 

[Cynic]

Maybe if the training for medical degrees were free in the US that would generate more home grown physicians.

No. The issue is admin costs and licensing racket by the Doctors.

What iceland shows is nurses can do some of these tasks ....

Also they are the only country to let their banks fails on some true market capitalism sh!t

No bailouts. no socialism for bankers - just jail sentences

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I didn't read any posts past the 3 poster but I am sure many people argued the population of Iceland and America. Bad example maybe, but I lived in Japan for 3 years. At the time, the country roughly the size of Cali with 45% of America's population with universal health care. I went a few times and never had more wait than in America and dated a nurse...

It's all about capitalism and not about wait times. Many people (white), oppose universal because they don't want to pay for "people who don't deserve it" and illegals.

Thank you.

Germany (83 million) has universal health care that works fairly well too. France (67 million) has universal health care that works very well. Italy (61 million) has a strong universal health care system. Japan (127 million) has a strong universal health care system.

The population excuse is dumb.

 

[JDH]

I saw an interesting twitter thread about this the other day


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[Tommy Knocks]

I pay taxes, free healthcare? Hell naw, I love paying for F-22s and 10 nuclear submarines that protect me from dudes in caves with AK47s, while bullying nations for their resources and making corporations billions. Thats where I want my taxes to go, not healthcare that I will 100% one day need since I'm not fukking immortal.

 

[humble forever]

Makes no sense not to offer free healthcare to citizens. Who else will pay taxes and continue participation in the economy if they are sick or dead?

generally agree with this but we have 100,000 randos flooding over the border every month. shyt's expensive. So long as we're dropping trillions playing world police idk if we'll ever get free healthcare.

 

[Mowgli]

We gotta get rid of the ama They are a cartel that keeps the supply artificially low to ensure that doctors get paid out of the wazoo.
Doctor shortages: Here's the real culprit



edit:idk about single payer but we need a public option for sure as the minimum.

Considering 250k people per year die from medical Mistakes, the vetting process seems to be necessary....

 

[LeVraiPapi]

The story is touching and I believe it but this would never work in America. The people with insurance like the fact that they have the luxury of insurance. Doctors love people with insurance because thwy can make up whatever fake bills they want. There are also all those large corporations that make billions on drug pricing and overcharging for insurance. Watch how these people react and push the GOP and some Democrats to commit to the dollar.

Another point is we have millions of nursing homes where people are kept alive but thwy have no life and know 0 about their surroundings. They put them on a ventilator and feed them through a tube. That costs thousands monthly. How many of those nursing homes exist in Iceland ? I bet you 0. Europe doesnt have the same healthcare structure we have here. Their stricture is about promoting and maintaining health. Our structure is about profit first.

 

[F K]

Considering 250k people per year die from medical Mistakes, the vetting process seems to be necessary....

That figure includes deaths from all medical professionals ,including pharmacy techs, nurses etc... not relevant.

Also there's no proof that the current medical vetting system is what prevents that number from being higher. I could claim that more doctors = fewer overworked doctors/better patient to doctor ratio= less mistakes.


What I do know is that scarcity raises prices, and that more doctors will either make healthcare more affordable or at least increase the amount of doctors that people have access to. Medical Mistakes/malpractice is a problem in itself, separate from the issue of healthcare affordability.


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The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don't want you to know about
“Medical-care workers are dedicated, caring people,” said Chris Jerry, “but they’re human. And human beings make mistakes.” According to him, the day Emily was given her fatal dose, the hospital pharmacy was short-staffed, the pharmacy computer was not properly working, and there was a backlog of physician orders.

 

[LeVraiPapi]

Considering 250k people per year die from medical Mistakes, the vetting process seems to be necessary....

Breh I have been around plenty of doctors and even their colleagues know they suck. AMA is a gang. They are all in bef with the insurance companies. Now they using Medicare for All as leverage against the insurance companies. See how hard it is for them to take actions against a doctor no mattter what they have done. They will only take actions if the feds get involved. They will shift the blame to nurses and others before they accept their own doctor made a mistake. Especially if they are specialists and have connection.