When Michael Jordan was 36 he was Unquestionably The Best Player in the NBA, while Kobe at 36

[Da_Eggman]

Jordan was number one at 35 and would I'd been too 5 at 36

Kobe isn't even in the top 30

 

[Da_Eggman]

it was a great performance but it cannot be considered #1 based purely on the fact that there exists an asterisk on it.

it still feels like most of wade's biggest moments came at the free throw line, i don't know i haven't watched that series in a long time. maybe my memory is fuzzy, or maybe i''ve just been exposed to too much resivionist history... but when i think back to that series i swear it felt like all those big d-wade games were decided at the free throw line.

Except the reality is there is no asterisk only bitter mavs favs and wade haters say that yet in history and the record books it will go down as the greatest finals performance in history

 

[...and some waffle fries]

it was a great performance but it cannot be considered #1 based purely on the fact that there exists an asterisk on it.

it still feels like most of wade's biggest moments came at the free throw line, i don't know i haven't watched that series in a long time. maybe my memory is fuzzy, or maybe i''ve just been exposed to too much resivionist history... but when i think back to that series i swear it felt like all those big d-wade games were decided at the free throw line.

Either you nikkas are young cats or just casual bball fans. Wade in his prime is one of the best slashers and finishers at the rim ever. He played aggressive and attacked the basket relentlessly. They could not stop him. Hence the free throws. Down 0-2 in the Finals. Game 3 down 13 pts in 4th. He single handedly willed them to win 4 games straight for his 1st ring. Clutch shot after clutch shot. Whether its #1 is subjective but it's definately up there at the top.

Here is your refresher since you can't remember.

 

[Da_Eggman]

Hey bytch nikka, Kobe was putting up 27 PPG, 6 REB, 6 AST the season his achilles blew up.

And on pace to miss the postseason playing with 3 other hall of famers and 6 all stars overall

It was till he finally quit that the team was able to rally behind Dwight and sneak in the offs

 

[Da_Eggman]

was it EVER a debate?

Of course not just rubbing salt into the wounds of these Kobe stans

 

[Bilz]

This was the most controversial call of the Heat/Mavs series. Down by 1 with a few seconds left in overtime, he went 1 on 5 and according to popular opinion, went untouched to the basket and blew the layup entirely on his own. The refs pretended that Dirk pushed him in the back and Harris grabbed him arm and allowed him to shoot two free throws to win the game. Both obvious lies if you look at the proof

 

[Liquid]

Either you nikkas are young cats or just casual bball fans. Wade in his prime is one of the best slashers and finishers at the rim ever. He played aggressive and attacked the basket relentlessly. They could not stop him. Hence the free throws. Down 0-2 in the Finals. Game 3 down 13 pts in 4th. He single handedly willed them to win 4 games straight for his 1st ring. Clutch shot after clutch shot. Whether its #1 is subjective but it's definately up there at the top.

Here is your refresher since you can't remember.

Chill, the 2006 finals were fixed.

I am a huge Wade fan, but let's not forget that the REFS should have all won Co-MVP between themselves in that series. It was a sad turn of events what happened during that series.

 

[Liquid]

Of course not just rubbing salt into the wounds of these Kobe stans

Keep cooking

 

[charmander]

This was the most controversial call of the Heat/Mavs series. Down by 1 with a few seconds left in overtime, he went 1 on 5 and according to popular opinion, went untouched to the basket and blew the layup entirely on his own. The refs pretended that Dirk pushed him in the back and Harris grabbed him arm and allowed him to shoot two free throws to win the game. Both obvious lies if you look at the proof

lol, the idea that the refs "rigged" it for wade those finals is such a tired, unsubstantiated narrative

it makes me think people who still believe that are either trolling or just never watched those games

wade shredded those clowns singlehandedly, that's my GOAT

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This is why I dusted off your last monologue, you refuse to stay on topic. According to you, no skill, attribute, or fundamental approach of another player can be compared to Kobe's until they have 5 rings and 32000 points. No one here is comparing resumes or overall greatness so leave that canned "5 rings!" nonsense out of here..

Says who? Why are you talking in hyperboles?

That isn't the point on why I brought up Kobe's success. My point was if you're going to claim that a player is more fundamentally sound than Kobe, they better have at least the bare minimum of time in the league and success that allowed you to lay a foundation for these claims.

Harden has been in the league for only five and a half seasons - three of which he was a distant third option (sometimes fourth option) and two on team where he had good regular season production and ABYSMAL postseason production - mainly because his tactics weren't conducive to being productive in a playoff setting. They certainly weren't somebody who was the pinup for being 'fundamentally sound', quite the opposite.

I don't see how you could possibly come to the conclusion that he has a more fundamentally sound game, when he's been the #1 option for two and a half seasons, and failed in the playoffs because his game was as basic as you can get for a so-called elite player?

It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Since you keep bringing up Kobes series against the Suns, don't you wish he would have chosen to play like that more often? Yet we all know its ridiculous to expect (or even hope) for him to play that way.

I don't wish for him to play like anything. When has Harden shown a more fundamentally sound game like Kobe has during that Suns series?

I am talking about the present and Harden is a player that is trending upward. He is still prone to bad games or bad series just like any other player is.

What exactly do you mean by this? Because I can feel like you're beginning to move the goal posts.

If he has another bad series this year, it will be that the other team was better or that he simply wasnt good enough.

So if he puts up another performance like he has done over the past two post seasons, are you still going to preach that his game is more fundamentally sound than what we've seen from Kobe?

It won't be that he had his head up his ass and was playing a flawed game of basketball that minimized his talents.

How so? That's why he failed (individually) since he's been in Houston, because his game was flawed. He had no midrange game, players ran him off the 3-pt line, he wasn't getting the calls he usually would during the regular season and teams actually gameplanned for him.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

fukk when theyre 36 i remember this


and this

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

lol, the idea that the refs "rigged" it for wade those finals is such a tired, unsubstantiated narrative

it makes me think people who still believe that are either trolling or just never watched those games

wade shredded those clowns singlehandedly, that's my GOAT

I don't think the series was rigged, but can you honestly sit there and tell me that if Kobe had a similar series (where he averaged 16 free throws a game and got the benefit of the doubt of 50/50 calls throughout most of the series), that it wouldn't be used against him rather than for him?

Wade played great that series, no doubt about it, but would it be looked at in the same light if it came from Kobe? Obviously I'm talking about the folk that don't like him here.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This was the most controversial call of the Heat/Mavs series. Down by 1 with a few seconds left in overtime, he went 1 on 5 and according to popular opinion, went untouched to the basket and blew the layup entirely on his own. The refs pretended that Dirk pushed him in the back and Harris grabbed him arm and allowed him to shoot two free throws to win the game. Both obvious lies if you look at the proof

Would you be painting Kobe in this light if it was he who was coming under these accusations of being aided by the refs? I think not.

 

[charmander]

I don't think the series was rigged, but can you honestly sit there and tell me that if Kobe had a similar series (where he averaged 16 free throws a game and got the benefit of the doubt of 50/50 calls throughout most of the series), that it wouldn't be used against him rather than for him?

Wade played great that series, no doubt about it, but would it be looked at in the same light if it came from Kobe? Obviously I'm talking about the folk that don't like him here.

maybe, maybe not

it's hard to answer a hypothetical like that, especially considering I don't think kobe would be capable of that kind of performance simply because of the difference in their play styles

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

maybe, maybe not

it's hard to answer a hypothetical like that, especially considering I don't think kobe would be capable of that kind of performance simply because of the difference in their play styles

Fair enough.

But I mean one of the main sketches on Kobe drawn by his haters are that he gets calls that he doesn't deserve, flops/flails on minimal contact and so on and so forth. I find it hard to believe that dudes that were willing to use this sort of rhetoric against him would be lauding a performance where he averaged a similar amount of free throws and had calls that could have gone either way (and even some where you raised more than just an eyebrow), go in his favor 80-90% of the time - as one of the greatest performances of all time. This is half the reason why I really can't take it seriously if one who to say Wade's 06 Finals performance shyts all over every single Kobe series performance, because it leads me to believe that there could be some tangling of getting caught up in the same web that they once used against Kobe.