Where did the myth that The Blueprint was weak/bad lyrically start?

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Y’all be making Jay Z sound even better than he really is lol

Jay was 5 albums deep and the blueprint (a hiphop classic) is the weakest lyrically.


That boy other albums must be nice Af :mjlol:

Do you not understand lyrics vs overall album quality?
 

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You can't put that just on Nas stans this year. There have been a LOT of weird anti-Jay threads and posts on the Coli this year. Sure there's always gonna be some hate or tension given his place/status but that shyt went to another level this year. From the random Pac affiliates taking shots at him in interviews earlier this year, to Melle Mel, to southern nikkas shytting on him, to the Nas stans taking shots based on Nas' recent activity. Just weirdo shyt.

Blueprint is an undeniable classic, I was a kid in school when that album came out and definitely remember the Nas v Jay battles. I was telling people Braveheart Party was better than H To The Izzo, which tells you all you need to know about the delusion of being a kid stan lol. I remember the arguments about Jay only bragging, whereas Nas was doing concepts. But Blueprint has concept records and themes too. And to hold on to that argument in 2023, while simultaneously celebrating Nas' Hit Boy albums which are some of his least personal and least conceptual...is weird to me.
I think some of the southern guys be Wayne fans, but you're spot on.
 

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as he said it himself two albums later on The Black Album:
"I dumb down for my audience and double my dollars"


Jay damn near apologized for how much he has at times dumbed down his lyrics, and a lot of The Blueprint fits that bill. We all know he can rap his assss off if he wants to, but the Jay that showed up on lots of The Blueprint was leaning more into his "I'm a hustler, not a rapper" bag. He still made a classic album with it, but it's an album that is especially well loved for its production and feeling.


'Girls Girls Girls' in particular is really not very good rapping. That beat is phenomenal, and the song has vocal appearances from Slick motherfukking Rick, Q-Tip & Biz Markie, - all over that beautiful beat???? That should be an automatic all-time-great song. Except Jay's verses are so mediocre on that track.


'Hola Hovito' could have been dope as hell, there's all kinds of pockets in that beat that coulda been ridden exceptionally, but he coasted it out instead.

'All I Need' is great, but the bars are simplified, its more so the feeling that makes the song magnificent. The ease.

He obviously does come with gems and quotables on many other parts of the album, - he is Hov - but plenty other times he'll just "come on the track duh duh da da"



'Lyrical Exercise' being a hidden bonus track seems like a choice, like he was making a statement that yes of course he can dominate lyrically if you need that too, but that thats more like just an exercise, a bonus. Whereas the main album as a whole he was more so swaggering, taking it easy and making a point of it.

It's an interesting exercise in what makes an album good. He has many albums in his catalog where he raps harder, but that are not nearly as good or classic as The Blueprint is.
 
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444 sounded like a jay album targeted at a different demo :russ:

whats next? magna Carter vs Mobb deep's Hell on Earth :dead:

These Hovengers are beyond delusional

Dude said nobody but Nas stans care about Stillmatic, then turn around and list American Gangster as this consensus classic everyone keep going back to. And AG a great album to me but check the facts

The top streaming AG song last week on Spotify was Roc Boys with 9858 streams a day. Next was Ignorant shyt at 3854 a day.

Stillmatic got two songs that streamed more than Roc Boys and five that streamed more than Ignorant shyt. So if nobody care about Stillmatic, what that say about AG? :mjlol: these dudes just make shyt up

And by the way IWW got four songs that outstreamed Roc Boys and seven that outstreamed Ignorant shyt. But AG the more relevant and revered album though. Those are the "facts" :dead:
 

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It’s also funny listening to rap fans talk about what good lyricism is but can only use “punchlines” / “similes” to determine what good lyricism is :mjlol:
 
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