where does Alchemist rank among hip hop producers?

[Xtz23]

Can't help what? Breh you got washed. LMAO at you namedropping "1st Infantry" like it means anything. That's exactly what Taadow was talking about. Alc produces these 'classics' in a forest where no one hears them nor gives a fukk about them. You avoid addressing the huge issue of lack of singles (radio or street) by forcing some idea that all album cuts are equal Still haven't addressed how Alc hasn't launched a single new artist into the upper echelons of hip hop, whether now or past. But somehow I've got the shytty opinion.

It's alright breh. Keep nuthugging Alc's mediocrity and thinking no one else 'gets it'

U missed some I just finished typing the last msg. Not saying u have a shytty opinion in general but this def is a wack opinion. ain’t nobody nut hugging alc. fukk radio singles and whatever else. Alc don’t release street singles?
Haha @ me getting washed. keep hiding behind this bullshyt narrative. Alc top 10-15

 

[UWasntThere]

Top 10 for me personally. Probably in the 6-10 range. Dude is mega consistent with it.

same. i have a couple of his beat tapes.

 

[SirBiatch]

U missed some I just finished typing the last msg. We cool but ain’t nobody nut hugging alc. fukk radio singles and whatever else. Alc don’t release street singles? Haha @ me getting washed. keep hiding behind this bullshyt narrative. Alc top 10-15

Excuses. You do realize that Premo/Pete Rock and them got radio play, right? They were the street singles for a whole decade or more. Still dodging that 'no new artist career launch' point, I see

So lemme get this straight: in a genre that started in the early 70s, that has had hundreds if not thousands of good-to-great producers, Alc is top 10-15 of all time? He's somehow better than Larry Smith, who launched Run DMC and Whodini, giving hip hop a whole style to run with. A producer that has been sampled countless times into other hip hop classics. While Alc has launched absolutely no one.

Alc hasn't pioneered shyt, so he can't be brought up in the pioneer convo. Alc doesn't have the hits (street or mainstream), so he can't be brought up in the hit convo. Alc doesn't have the classic albums, so he can't be brought up in the classic album convo. The fukk convo is Alc in other than the "I'm forcing it" convo?

As your responses get shorter without any receipts for what makes Alc great, I can see that you're clinging onto him being top 10-15 for emotional reasons. Nothing to do with music, really. No matter how I break it down, you're closed off. So that's that

 

[Xtz23]

Excuses. You do realize that Premo/Pete Rock and them got radio play, right? They were the street singles for a whole decade or more. Still dodging that 'no new artist career launch' point, I see

So lemme get this straight: in a genre that started in the early 70s, that has had hundreds if not thousands of good-to-great producers, Alc is top 10-15 of all time? He's somehow better than Larry Smith, who launched Run DMC and Whodini, giving hip hop a whole style to run with. A producer that has been sampled countless times into other hip hop classics. While Alc has launched absolutely no one.

Alc hasn't pioneered shyt, so he can't be brought up in the pioneer convo. Alc doesn't have the hits (street or mainstream), so he can't be brought up in the hit convo. Alc doesn't have the classic albums, so he can't be brought up in the classic album convo. The fukk convo is Alc in other than the "I'm forcing it" convo?

As your responses get shorter without any receipts for what makes Alc great, I can see that you're clinging onto him being top 10-15 for emotional reasons. Nothing to do with music, really. No matter how I break it down, you're closed off. So that's that

u know u won wen the opposition writing essays back. whatever man

 

[Xtz23]

Excuses. You do realize that Premo/Pete Rock and them got radio play, right? They were the street singles for a whole decade or more. Still dodging that 'no new artist career launch' point, I see

So lemme get this straight: in a genre that started in the early 70s, that has had hundreds if not thousands of good-to-great producers, Alc is top 10-15 of all time? He's somehow better than Larry Smith, who launched Run DMC and Whodini, giving hip hop a whole style to run with. A producer that has been sampled countless times into other hip hop classics. While Alc has launched absolutely no one.

Alc hasn't pioneered shyt, so he can't be brought up in the pioneer convo. Alc doesn't have the hits (street or mainstream), so he can't be brought up in the hit convo. Alc doesn't have the classic albums, so he can't be brought up in the classic album convo. The fukk convo is Alc in other than the "I'm forcing it" convo?

As your responses get shorter without any receipts for what makes Alc great, I can see that you're clinging onto him being top 10-15 for emotional reasons. Nothing to do with music, really. No matter how I break it down, you're closed off. So that's that

alc produced good albums. Hes got his own style
y u think the go:pee106:at got him as his in house.

Alc produced for the legends consistently and not bullshyt beats

pete rock and premo are top 5.

Not always are singles better then great album cuts but u should know that.

 

[Danie84]

Cruisin to ALC's French Blends 1 & 2 makes the cypher complete

 

[Taadow]

fam ski had 2 solid runs

mid 90s and early 2010s

and lets keep it a buck without jay, camp lo and curren$y there is NO DEBATE

al has been steady feeding the culture for 15 years strong

with classic singles, collab albums from nobodies and somebodies AND solo albums

i get what you're saying breh but... nah

Lol, again you can do this same thing for Alc! Take out all the Mobb and Nas tracks and this thread probably never gets made.

You say he got classic singles, I asked for 'em and got "When You Hear The" (after which dude tried to change it without me catching it)...this is LAUGHABLE, B.

And then bringing up his solo albums like they mattered. Most everybody has Pete Rock Top 10, but they ain't gonna name NO stuff off Petestrumentals as "classic".

 

[Taadow]

@Taadow lemme help the homie out. I'm down for a beat battle. I'll represent Alc (and I won't name the joints @Xtraz2 already posted or the ones you mentioned). Let's see your T-Mixx.

Are you sure?

I mean, we already been through Alc's big records in here...it would just be redundant.

 

[SirBiatch]

Are you sure?

I mean, we already been through Alc's big records in here...it would just be redundant.

You mean that convo between you and @Xtz23? Were there other big records that were brought up? Because dude missed a bunch of semi-known Alc bangers.

I'm down for the challenge. Let's see what T-mixx has to offer.

 

[Xtraz2]

You mean that convo between you and @Xtraz2? Were there other big records that were brought up? Because dude missed a bunch of semi-known Alc bangers.

I'm down for the challenge. Let's see what T-mixx has to offer.

I think you tagged tha wrong person , I don't listen to no wack ass alchemist I couldn't even name a song of his

 

[SirBiatch]

I think you tagged tha wrong person , I don't listen to no wack ass alchemist I couldn't even name a song of his

My bad

 

[shopant]

He's mostly an album-filler type producer. His sound never launched a new artist and he has no classic album where he's done the bulk of the producing. We're talking at least 3 joints on the album..

Wrong, he has produced a lot of bangers on many predominantly non-mainstream albums and is capable of producing full albums with high quality beats (Return of the mac, Albert Einstein, Covert coup, etc)

There's not enough originality from alchemist to rank him as one of the top 5 or 10 or even 20 best producers of all time, depending on what alchemist era you choose you might mistake his beats for someone else's. He's always been heavily influenced almost to the point of biting by the other Producers he's around. First he sounded like Muggs then it was Havoc..fast forward and it's Oh No, Jake One, Mad Lib and the list continues...

In the early 2000s he developed his own style with chopped up, hypnotic samples and heavy drums with samples from various styles of music from soul to progressive and aor rock. It heavily influenced many producers. (sid roams, vanderslice, stu bangas to name a few). ALC is the father of that style.

 

[SirBiatch]

Wrong

But then goes on to list a bunch of albums nobody cares about (which are nowhere near classic ) while avoiding the glaring issue that Alc has launched zero new artists into the forefront of hip hop.

Don't @ me if you're not gonna address my points head on.

 

[stealthbomber]

Lol, again you can do this same thing for Alc! Take out all the Mobb and Nas tracks and this thread probably never gets made.

You say he got classic singles, I asked for 'em and got "When You Hear The" (after which dude tried to change it without me catching it)...this is LAUGHABLE, B.

And then bringing up his solo albums like they mattered. Most everybody has Pete Rock Top 10, but they ain't gonna name NO stuff off Petestrumentals as "classic".

i straight up just disagree

in my opinion 1st infantry or even russian roulette is miles better than petestrumentals so we're not gonna go anywhere with this

i could go track for track with you but i trust you got good shyt like i do, it's not worth it

all respect to pete, ski, premo and all them nikkas they certified legends its just imo alc is easy top 5


but i always said ski's the most underrated producer in hip hop, EVER

al just does what they all do better, more consistently, been relevant longer, and with WAAY more styles

i would argue he's STILL in his prime and got years to go

ill put it out there doe i came up from a young nikka heavily fukkin with al like i been actively listening since 1st infantry

that prolly make me biased, idc its how i feel

edit: i repsect ya opinion doe breh. you an old head. im a young nikka. you clearly know your shyt like i do. different eras, different opinions. as a 90s baby hip hop head how could i not say he's a goat. i'd be frauding to say those nikkas are better than him. i was a lil ass kid when those guys were really doing it.

that being said, ill end it with this.

 

[shopant]

But then goes on to list a bunch of albums nobody cares about (which are nowhere near classic ) while avoiding the glaring issue that Alc has launched zero new artists into the forefront of hip hop.

Don't @ me if you're not gonna address my points head on.

He has supported a bunch of artists once he established himself, but he has never been a mainstream type of producer, so nobody expects from him to launch new artists into the forefront of hip hop.

Those albums I mentioned do have top notch production. I don't care how many people care about them.

If you think that ALC is "an album-filler type producer", then you're probably not familiar with his discography.