Where does Dwight Howard rank on your all time Center list

[Malta]

Dwight had a three year period where he was the 3rd-4th best player by data in the playoffs with Orlando with LeBron, Kobe and at times Wade being ahead of him. Where is this center that matched up with him at Orlando. I am looking at the numbers and I don't see it.

You not looking hard enough, cause he was held to 9.8ppg on 48% vs the Bobcats, just cause they had Theo Ratliff and Tyson Chandler guarding him


The East was a dumpster fire when it came to centers, lets take a stroll down memory lane, here is what the top centers in the league looked like in one of his "prime" years -

33 year old Duncan, Big Spain was in his 2nd year, Boogie was a rookie, Amare was a PF playing C.....and most of the best bigs were in the West.

Chris Kaman was a top center

 

[Malta]

The problem with this statement is sample size. You have 78 games plus 15-22 playoffs games compared to four games. You're point just can't be warranted as there isn't anything saying that this is a trend.

You can say he was an athletic freak of nature but he did dominate regardless of whatever take you would have next. He was one of the most dominate two way bigs in his generation. I just can't see your point on this one. It's too limited.

Just so you remember a part of what he used to be, before his back went to shyt like T-Mac's.

Going against a frontcourt of 33 year old Ben Wallace and the corpse of Zydrunas


The Bobcats held him under 10ppg.

 

[#1 pick]

You not looking hard enough, cause he was held to 9.8ppg on 48% vs the Bobcats, just cause they had Theo Ratliff and Tyson Chandler guarding him


The East was a dumpster fire when it came to centers, lets take a stroll down memory lane, here is what the top centers in the league looked like in one of his "prime" years -

33 year old Duncan, Big Spain was in his 2nd year, Boogie was a rookie, Amare was a PF playing C.....and most of the best bigs were in the West.

Chris Kaman was a top center

Duncan was an elite defensive big at 36. Dwight used to dominate that match-up as well.
A good number of the bigs were solid defensive minded bigs in the East who started. CHA had Nazr playing out of his mind defense that season as well. The center list in general wasn't that bad in retrospect to that time period. Clearly, it weak compared to this gen but the depth was better than the 90's. The 90's just had a lot better top heavy centers, even more than today's NBA. There wasn't no Greg Ostertag's and Eric Montross's starting like in the 90's.

 

[Malta]

Duncan was an elite defensive big at 36. Dwight used to dominate that match-up as well.

Such domination, imagine if Duncan wasn't 30+ when they played, how would he have been able to cope with such a monster

Like all the other matchups I've posted, Dwight has a losing record against him as well, which player did he actually beat routinely?

Get swept and washed by a 58 year old man brehs.

A good number of the bigs were solid defensive minded bigs in the East who started. CHA had Nazr playing out of his mind defense that season as well. The center list in general wasn't that bad in retrospect to that time period. Clearly, it weak compared to this gen but the depth was better than the 90's. The 90's just had a lot better top heavy centers, even more than today's NBA. There wasn't no Greg Ostertag's and Eric Montross's starting like in the 90's.

So, this is what it's come to? Trumping up who Nazr Mohammed was as a player to make Dwight look better.

 

[#1 pick]

Such domination, imagine if Duncan wasn't 30+ when they played, how would he have been able to cope with such a monster

Like all the other matchups I've posted, Dwight has a losing record against him as well, which player did he actually beat routinely?

Get swept and washed by a 58 year old man brehs.





So, this is what it's come to? Trumping up who Nazr Mohammed was as a player to make Dwight look better.

Dwight wasn't a HOF or elite talent when he joined the Lakers nor was he his last year in Orlando. You have no argument from me outside of his prime. I literally said his 5 year prime in Orlando. Outside of that, he was just very good, then average, then below average and now he's ass.

 

[Malta]

Dwight wasn't a HOF or elite talent when he joined the Lakers nor was he his last year in Orlando. You have no argument from me outside of his prime.

Duncan was 36 years old in that series, enough with the excuses breh.

 

[Liquid]

I fukking lost it when dude brought up Nazr Mohammed

 

[#1 pick]

Duncan was 36 years old in that series, enough with the excuses breh.

Dwight lost his agility, hops, and speed. He didn't have TD BBIQ, ability, skills, feel for the game, responsibility, or anything of that nature. TD is one of the ATGs and to me a top 5 player of all time. Dwight was always an elite athlete who could hoop but once he lost some of that athletic ability, he dropped off like a cliff. TD didn't rely on athleticism to the degree that Dwight did.

 

[#1 pick]

Duncan was 36 years old in that series, enough with the excuses breh.

There is no excuses. You are trolling. I made my points clearly. You aren't making them clearly. I spoke of his five year prime. You avoided it and went back to his career which I said isn't in the top 10 for centers. You are being disingenuous. Stay focus. You jumping like Rod Strickland.

 

[Malta]

There is no excuses. You are trolling. I made my points clearly. You aren't making them clearly. I spoke of his five year prime. You avoided it and went back to his career which I said isn't in the top 10 for centers. You are being disingenuous. Stay focus. You jumping like Rod Strickland.

I posted things to backup my point from his prime years and all you did was -

You even tried to explain away Marc Gasol dropping him off by saying it's cause they only played a 2x a year


You wouldn't be defending Dwight if he werent from GA, he's just not that great and you know it.

 

[#1 pick]

I posted things to backup my point from his prime years and all you did was -

You even tried to explain away Marc Gasol dropping him off by saying it's cause they only played a 2x a year


You wouldn't be defending Dwight if he werent from GA, he's just not that great and you know it.

You didn't back shyt. I ethered you and then you ran from that and said, well, what about v. Bobcats. The Bobcats that one season was playing out of their damn minds if you recall and Nazr was looking like some lockdown defender for a part of the season. It's was an anomaly which only lasted for one season.

I'll ask you again, how wasn't Dwight dominate in his five year prime. Stop giving me, he didn't do it v. the best centers when he barely played many true centers in his era. He did it which is all that matters.

You doing this:

 

[Rigby.]

That there's a legit argument to be had that Dwight Howard is a top 15 center of all time...Makes me strongly consider that I've been giving the position way too much credit

Factoring in that just about every alive legendary center wanted to help him get more skilled offensively and Shaq was shook about him for years his potential precedes him when discussing how good he was though

 

[Malta]

You didn't back shyt. I ethered you and then you ran from that and said, well, what about v. Bobcats. The Bobcats that one season was playing out of their damn minds if you recall and Nazr was looking like some lockdown defender for a part of the season. It's was an anomaly which only lasted for one season.

I'll ask you again, how wasn't Dwight dominate in his five year prime. Stop giving me, he didn't do it v. the best centers when he barely played many true centers in his era. He did it which is all that matters.

You doing this:

The Bobcats had centers that physically matched up to him, they guarded him one on one because he had no real offensive game outside of being more athletic than the guy who was guarding him, when he didn't have that edge he was just It's why he played like shyt against Yao, he couldn't overpower him, it's why Marc Gasol constantly dropped him off and why Pau & Odom basically shut him down in the finals, DURING HIS PRIME.

You on that Juelz gif heavy in here, to the point you trying to turn Nazr Mohammed into a prime Bill Russell just to make Dwight look better

The Cs during his prime in the East were horrible, period. A prime Dwight doesn't belong in the top 10 discussion of centers because we have irrefutable proof that he couldn't play at peak levels against real 7 footers who could matchup physically. I would have thought you'd learn your lesson with his Hawk years

 

[#1 pick]

The Bobcats had centers that physically matched up to him, they guarded him one on one because he had no real offensive game outside of being more athletic than the guy who was guarding him, when he didn't have that edge he was just It's why he played like shyt against Yao, he couldn't overpower him, it's why Marc Gasol constantly dropped him off and why Pau & Odom basically shut him down in the finals, DURING HIS PRIME.

You on that Juelz gif heavy in here, to the point you trying to turn Nazr Mohammed into a prime Bill Russell just to make Dwight look better

The Cs during his prime in the East were horrible, period. A prime Dwight doesn't belong in the top 10 discussion of centers because we have irrefutable proof that he couldn't play at peak levels against real 7 footers who could matchup physically. I would have thought you'd learn your lesson with his Hawk years

Charlotte had his number that one season ONLY (09-10). But that was it. What other record do we have of this that is actually a true sample size within his prime? What happened in the same series? Orlando swept Charlotte 4-0.

Your saying Odom and Gasol shut him down as if LA wasn't twice as good as Orlando. Come on, LAL was a superior team to Orlando that season. They had an elite squad for that particular season. Orlando was just good. Not very good, not elite. Just good. They wouldn't have made the Finals in the West. They just had a great run like Houston when led by Moses Malone in the 80's beating Cleveland and Boston. Hedo who was hot disappeared that series as well as Lewis had a lot to do with it as well. Pau Gasol had an insane offensive rating that series of 132. I don't know why you would even bring it up. It's a testament to Dwight that he even got that far with that squad in the first place.

You are coming off as a hater breh. Not a good look

 

[FLORIDA BOI]

Dwight definitely better than Wallace

No

Hell no