Where does Joe Budden rank all time for you?

[tybo]

50 Cent, Kanye West, Fabolous, Tragedy Khadafi, Royce the 5'9, Fat Joe, Tech N9ne, Inspectah Deck, Lupe Fiasco...the list goes on and on. Why is Joe Budden more worthy to be on a Top 50 list over these individuals?

btw Billy, I never said that he has to be in someone's top 50, but to say he's not top 100 is ludicrous!!!! do you disagree?

 

[tybo]

@Billy Ocean, check these few out breh. Dude isn't just a lyricist, he can make songs.

3 sides to a story
ordinary love shyt
dumb out
walk with me
10 minutes
dear diary
family reunion
who pt. 1 & 2

 

[mrken12]

dead last

just for being the lamest nikka on earth

 

[MJ Freedom]

I made a Top 250 maybe a couple of years ago and I think Budden was around 111 or something like that IIRC. I'd have to remake one though to get an accurate picture now.

 

[Prince Cairo]

Outside of the top 25 or so I personally think ranking is really arbitrary. What exactly differentiates the 50th and the 55th rapper on the list? At that point lists are entirely based on taste and musical preference as opposed to any sort of objectivity.

 

[mobbinfms]

I agree. And am fans of all them.
Say a child is born today though. 20 years from now you're right.. They might know Wayne.

Az and sigel though?

Which is why that's a slippery slope. Constructing that list off anything besides talent and body of work.

I wouldn't even bother arguing anyone else on that list u posted. But for me budden is light years ahead of Wayne

Isn't talent irrelevant though, if it's not supported by a body of work? Look no further than Lupe Fiasco, Twista.

 

[mobbinfms]

I don't know man.

Albums usually are a direct result of someone attempting to reach a larger audience through old white label exes who don't give the artist all their creative control most times.

I say mixtapes definitely count being their own bodies of work.

Is there a mixtape on the level of Illmatic? Paid in Full? Or the Chronic?
Mixtapes, in theory, are amazing, but the mixtape/album hybrid of late hasn't produced a truly legendary piece of work, unless I'm missing something.

 

[DaddyTime]

Is there a mixtape on the level of Illmatic? Paid in Full? Or the Chronic?

In terms of notoriety? Probably not.
In terms of quality? Yes.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

Isn't talent irrelevant though, if it's not supported by a body of work? Look no further than Lupe Fiasco, Twista.

i think budden is skilled lyrically. i also think he has a lot of songs from a lot of good projects that stand up

 

[mobbinfms]

In terms of notoriety? Probably not.
In terms of quality? Yes.

Name them.
I wanna check them out if I haven't already.

 

[torcher]

Isn't talent irrelevant though, if it's not supported by a body of work? Look no further than Lupe Fiasco, Twista.

On the flip side of that though just cuz you have a good body of work doesnt make you a great rapper. I think a top MC's list has to be combination of both and thats why I have him on the bottom portion of the top 50

 

[mobbinfms]

i think budden is skilled lyrically. i also think he has a lot of songs from a lot of good projects that stand up

I hear you. I was making a general point. You can be the most talented emcee ever, but if you don't have the albums to back it up - who cares?

 

[DaddyTime]

Name them.
I wanna check them out if I haven't already.

If we were talking in person I'd gladly name some I believe to be of similar/superior quality.

But I ain't tryna get crucified on here so

 

[mobbinfms]

If we were talking in person I'd gladly name some I believe to be of similar/superior quality.

But I ain't tryna get crucified on here so

I hear you. PM me then.

 

[mobbinfms]

On the flip side of that though just cuz you have a good body of work doesnt make you a great rapper. I think a top MC's list has to be combination of both and thats why I have him on the bottom portion of the top 50

No doubt. Jeezy.