Where does "white devil" comes from ?

[Scustin Bieburr]

Thanks for the elaborate answer *dapped up and repped*.

Myself, I think that their predominant position led them to predate on others ethnic groups and if it would have been another ethnicity, it would have been the same IMO. We're humans and we basically thrive on the weak.
Plus, I'm sure we can mix more factors than skin colors into this to explain those barbaric behaviors (religion, power, economics, sociology...)

I mean, all genocides that took places in History weren't perpetrated by white people. Many even targeted them :
Genocides in history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Interesting.
Made me read this (for those who don't know) : Manifest destiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is why I believe that most people aren't inherently evil. Peoples minds are malleable and otherwise kind people can be made to do terrible things(see Rwandan and Kenyan ethnic violence and Nazi Germany). Racism and white supremacy arose mostly because white people just got really lucky.

The Mediterranean(Greece, Italy) and the rest of Europe was really geographically blessed(read the book or watch the documentary Guns, Germs, and Steel and watch the lectures called From Lucy to Mandela). Their population was able to grow as a result of good farming conditions, beasts of burden, and immunity/lack of certain diseases. The funny thing about countries like England, Spain, and France is that they were essentially no where NEAR the level of sophistication that you would find in some African, Asian and Mesoamerican civilizations but because they were fortunate enough to have contact with Ancient Rome and to take the knowledge of Rome(which was really already a mixture of knowledge acquired from Egypt, West Asia, and Greece).

Then apply that information to grow their populations(by copying their farming techniques and actually using beasts of burden) Contact with African Muslims(the moors) actually also helped to introduce many europeans to science, mathematics, literature that far surpassed their own.

The thing that a lot of people don't understand is that the idea of "race" only really began to come along with the transatlantic slave trade. I suggest watching racism a history:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efI6T8lovqY]Racism: A History [2007] - 1/3 - YouTube[/ame]

the whole series is available on youtube. And also Africa: A history
Africa: Ep 1 - Different But Equal

You'll see that prior to the 15th or 16th century, people of African descent were essentially treated somewhat fairly like human beings. If you go down to Europe you'll even see some black figures represented in art within cathedrals. The concept of race and the myth of white supremacy was invented to help people continue to profit off the slave trade and to encourage colonial expansion which gave europeans access to things they had never had before. Its very complex and I could write huge paragraphs but I think you get the idea. White people just got VERY lucky and certain powers that be assumed that something as absurd as skin color is what made it so that they were successful and that they are inherently good. There is a growing number of white people that can see through that bullshyt though and feel like they have a moral obligation to dismantle white supremacy.

repped right back for being curious and wanting to be put on to some info.

 

[profound]

native americans are fond of calling whites devils too. its an experience thing.

 

[john goodman]

My guess is Elijah Muhammad coined it

 

[Pool_Shark]

This is why I believe that most people aren't inherently evil. Peoples minds are malleable and otherwise kind people can be made to do terrible things(see Rwandan and Kenyan ethnic violence and Nazi Germany). Racism and white supremacy arose mostly because white people just got really lucky.

The Mediterranean(Greece, Italy) and the rest of Europe was really geographically blessed(read the book or watch the documentary Guns, Germs, and Steel and watch the lectures called From Lucy to Mandela). Their population was able to grow as a result of good farming conditions, beasts of burden, and immunity/lack of certain diseases. The funny thing about countries like England, Spain, and France is that they were essentially no where NEAR the level of sophistication that you would find in some African, Asian and Mesoamerican civilizations but because they were fortunate enough to have contact with Ancient Rome and to take the knowledge of Rome(which was really already a mixture of knowledge acquired from Egypt, West Asia, and Greece).

Then apply that information to grow their populations(by copying their farming techniques and actually using beasts of burden) Contact with African Muslims(the moors) actually also helped to introduce many europeans to science, mathematics, literature that far surpassed their own.

The thing that a lot of people don't understand is that the idea of "race" only really began to come along with the transatlantic slave trade. I suggest watching racism a history:
Racism: A History [2007] - 1/3 - YouTube

the whole series is available on youtube. And also Africa: A history
Africa: Ep 1 - Different But Equal

You'll see that prior to the 15th or 16th century, people of African descent were essentially treated somewhat fairly like human beings. If you go down to Europe you'll even see some black figures represented in art within cathedrals. The concept of race and the myth of white supremacy was invented to help people continue to profit off the slave trade and to encourage colonial expansion which gave europeans access to things they had never had before. Its very complex and I could write huge paragraphs but I think you get the idea. White people just got VERY lucky and certain powers that be assumed that something as absurd as skin color is what made it so that they were successful and that they are inherently good. There is a growing number of white people that can see through that bullshyt though and feel like they have a moral obligation to dismantle white supremacy.

repped right back for being curious and wanting to be put on to some info.

Real informative post. Can you post more when you get a chance?

 

[blackzeus]

Some you act like the world was all peaceful and happy until white people showed up


white people just won

And it has nothing to do with race...


now, bring on the negs

Hate to admit it, but it's the truth Shakazula was killing mad Africans, Aztecs were killing mad Native Americans, Mongols were killing mad Asians. It's always been about money and power. In fact, it some cases, like East Timor, some cultures would have been wiped out had it not been for whitey Whitey was the best at being the most evil and diabolical

 

[blackzeus]

This is why I believe that most people aren't inherently evil. Peoples minds are malleable and otherwise kind people can be made to do terrible things(see Rwandan and Kenyan ethnic violence and Nazi Germany). Racism and white supremacy arose mostly because white people just got really lucky.

The Mediterranean(Greece, Italy) and the rest of Europe was really geographically blessed(read the book or watch the documentary Guns, Germs, and Steel and watch the lectures called From Lucy to Mandela). Their population was able to grow as a result of good farming conditions, beasts of burden, and immunity/lack of certain diseases. The funny thing about countries like England, Spain, and France is that they were essentially no where NEAR the level of sophistication that you would find in some African, Asian and Mesoamerican civilizations but because they were fortunate enough to have contact with Ancient Rome and to take the knowledge of Rome(which was really already a mixture of knowledge acquired from Egypt, West Asia, and Greece).

Then apply that information to grow their populations(by copying their farming techniques and actually using beasts of burden) Contact with African Muslims(the moors) actually also helped to introduce many europeans to science, mathematics, literature that far surpassed their own.

The thing that a lot of people don't understand is that the idea of "race" only really began to come along with the transatlantic slave trade. I suggest watching racism a history:
Racism: A History [2007] - 1/3 - YouTube

the whole series is available on youtube. And also Africa: A history
Africa: Ep 1 - Different But Equal

You'll see that prior to the 15th or 16th century, people of African descent were essentially treated somewhat fairly like human beings. If you go down to Europe you'll even see some black figures represented in art within cathedrals. The concept of race and the myth of white supremacy was invented to help people continue to profit off the slave trade and to encourage colonial expansion which gave europeans access to things they had never had before. Its very complex and I could write huge paragraphs but I think you get the idea. White people just got VERY lucky and certain powers that be assumed that something as absurd as skin color is what made it so that they were successful and that they are inherently good. There is a growing number of white people that can see through that bullshyt though and feel like they have a moral obligation to dismantle white supremacy.

repped right back for being curious and wanting to be put on to some info.

Arabs and Indians were enslaving blacks before then, so I don't know about all that. What I will say was that every culture had slaves, sh*t, I was offered one in Asia. Blacks had black slaves. Asians had asian slaves. Whites had white slaves, Native Americans had native american slaves, etc. With the clash of cultures, and rising trade, black slaves just became the most desirable slave There were Indian slaves in Jamaica, white indentured Slaves in colonial usa, chinese slaves in Cali, etc. I hate to say it, as a black man, but blacks take a lot personally, and think a lot only happened to them. I've seen Asian police f*ck up and arrest their own for no reason, and I mean blood everywhere I saved a motorbike taxi driver from losing his bike to the cops. Tried to charge the poor guy $50 for not riding with his helmet, had to call a connect to talk to the police chief to let it ride. A lot of us need to shake that "woe is me", "oh my god i'm black and the world is against me" mentality. Yeah they killed MLK, but they also killed John Lennon, they also killed JFK. If you go to Africa with guns and liquor right now, guarantee there will be a tribal chief who will go to battle with a weaker tribe to get you some slaves. The game is the game man. Money, power, respect. That's it.

 

[Shogun]

while i dont disagree with this statement, i do disagree with the race issue. read your history.

I read quite a bit of history. When I said it has nothing to with race I meant there is nothing biologically unique to white people that allowed Europeans to be so dominant in the past few hundred years.

Its more a result of geographical, and environmental characteristics of the European continent. Basically what Jared Diamond explains much better than I can in Guns, Germs, and Steel.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

Real informative post. Can you post more when you get a chance?

What you need breh? Racism a history and Basil Davidson's Africa series really put me on to the whole idea of slavery and race from a historical context. I also suggest reading books about African history such as "Africans a history of a continent" or the UNESCO Africa encyclopaedias. You'll learn a lot and its all FREE

Volume II - Ancient civilizations of Africa | United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization

I already mentioned another book called "race and slavery in the middle east" you'll get information in there about how Arabs viewed blacks and whites during the West Asian-African slave trade. Also check out "encyclopedia of blacks in european history and culture" you'll learn about how Africans influenced the development of European culture and history. Also if you're curious to learn about Africa you can check out the BBC series "Lost kingdoms of Africa"

Arabs and Indians were enslaving blacks before then, so I don't know about all that. What I will say was that every culture had slaves, sh*t, I was offered one in Asia. Blacks had black slaves. Asians had asian slaves. Whites had white slaves, Native Americans had native american slaves, etc. With the clash of cultures, and rising trade, black slaves just became the most desirable slave There were Indian slaves in Jamaica, white indentured Slaves in colonial usa, chinese slaves in Cali, etc. I hate to say it, as a black man, but blacks take a lot personally, and think a lot only happened to them. I've seen Asian police f*ck up and arrest their own for no reason, and I mean blood everywhere I saved a motorbike taxi driver from losing his bike to the cops. Tried to charge the poor guy $50 for not riding with his helmet, had to call a connect to talk to the police chief to let it ride. A lot of us need to shake that "woe is me", "oh my god i'm black and the world is against me" mentality. Yeah they killed MLK, but they also killed John Lennon, they also killed JFK. If you go to Africa with guns and liquor right now, guarantee there will be a tribal chief who will go to battle with a weaker tribe to get you some slaves. The game is the game man. Money, power, respect. That's it.

We have to be very careful with the term "enslaving". blacks weren't just sitting around and then got overwhelmed and taken into slavery. But you're right, there were already slave holding black societies because slavery was an institution that was pretty common in Africa, west Asia and the Mediterranean. The thing about black slaves though that sticks in peoples minds is the way they were treated, especially by Europeans. Slavery itself was definitely wrong and racism came about as a result of slavery and its something we're still struggling to undo because like you said its all about money and power. Its advantageous for rich white people to have blacks fighting with poor whites and even fighting with each other(light skin v dark skin who is a tom and who isn't etc.) If people are too busy arguing over inane nonsense then the people at the top won't be challenged. People are starting to peep game though and realize that excluding people from obtaining employment reduces the amount competition and of innovation and progress within society. We've still got a long way to go but I'm a bit optimistic. I hope to see white supremacy dismantled by the time I have grand children.

 

[Turenne]

Thanks for the elaborate answer *dapped up and repped*.

Myself, I think that their predominant position led them to predate on others ethnic groups and if it would have been another ethnicity, it would have been the same IMO. We're humans and we basically thrive on the weak.
Plus, I'm sure we can mix more factors than skin colors into this to explain those barbaric behaviors (religion, power, economics, sociology...)

I mean, all genocides that took places in History weren't perpetrated by white people. Many even targeted them :
Genocides in history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Interesting.
Made me read this (for those who don't know) : Manifest destiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read the following:

Guns, Germs, and Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Liu Kang]

Read the following:

Guns, Germs, and Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Will do, seems interesting.

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

Caucasoid have had implications in terms of national identity, consanguinity, public policy, religion, population statistics, racial segregation, affirmative action, eugenics, racial marginalization and racial quotas.
Devil

The Devil (from Greek: διάβολος or diábolos = 'slanderer' or 'accuser')[1] is believed in many religions and cultures to be a powerful, supernatural entity that is the personification of evil and the enemy of God and humankind. The nature of the role varies greatly. It ranges from being an effective opposite force to the creator god at one extreme, where both are locked in an eons long holy war for human souls on what may seem even terms (to the point of dualistic ditheism/bitheism), to being just a comical figure of fun or even an abstract aspect of the individual human condition at the other.

Whilst mainstream Judaism contains no overt concept of a devil, Christianity and Islam have variously regarded the Devil as a rebellious fallen angel or demon that tempts humans to sin, if not commit evil deeds himself. In these religions – particularly during periods of division or external threat – the Devil has assumed more of a dualistic status commonly associated with heretics, infidels, and other unbelievers. As such, the Devil is seen as an allegory that represents a crisis of faith, individualism, free will, wisdom and enlightenment.

In mainstream Christianity, God and the Devil are usually portrayed as fighting over the souls of humans, with the Devil seeking to lure people away from God and into Hell. The Devil commands a force of evil spirits, commonly known as demons.[2] The Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament) describes the Adversary (Ha-satan) as an angel who instigates tests upon humankind.[3][4] Many other religions have a trickster or tempter figure that is similar to the Devil. Modern conceptions of the Devil include the concept that it symbolizes humans' own lower nature or sinfulness.

People often put the concept of the Devil to use in social and political conflicts, claiming that their opponents are influenced by the Devil or even willingly supporting the Devil. In addition, the Devil has also been used to explain why others hold beliefs that are considered to be false and ungodly.

put the two together...

white devil
white demon
devil white
demon white
satanic demonic devil white

 

[Blackking]

We have to be very careful with the term "enslaving". blacks weren't just sitting around and then got overwhelmed and taken into slavery. But you're right, there were already slave holding black societies because slavery was an institution that was pretty common in Africa, west Asia and the Mediterranean. The thing about black slaves though that sticks in peoples minds is the way they were treated, especially by Europeans. Slavery itself was definitely wrong and racism came about as a result of slavery and its something we're still struggling to undo because like you said its all about money and power. Its advantageous for rich white people to have blacks fighting with poor whites and even fighting with each other(light skin v dark skin who is a tom and who isn't etc.) If people are too busy arguing over inane nonsense then the people at the top won't be challenged. People are starting to peep game though and realize that excluding people from obtaining employment reduces the amount competition and of innovation and progress within society. We've still got a long way to go but I'm a bit optimistic. I hope to see white supremacy dismantled by the time I have grand children.

exactly. Besides, if it was just about the slavery, then the fact that every culture had slaves would be more relevant.

If "devils" did slavery the way they did it in Asia, or Africa, North America then I think the "get over it" statements would be understandable and reasonable.

Cac slave traders did more than put chains on and make people work for economics, war, or power gain; which is the difference.
In addition to that, they systematically reduce the mentality of slaves over the Atlantic.. They Purposefully created a climate which was more about self-hate and division than anything else. They attempted to strip the slaves of anything that would remind them of who they were as a people. They forced them to create a new culture; then turn around and criticize every new cultural trend created. They continued to oppress the slaves after slavery... then when they were forced to treat the people who were the same race as former slaves like humans- they pretended to be co-citizens with them only to Institutionally do all the same sh1t til this day.

Even the non racist white people (unconsciously) participate. Even the love of black culture has gone from love- to manipulation, degradation, and exploitation. And that's just black people in America. "devils" have attempted to manipulate, control, and influence every one else as well

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

exactly. Besides, if it was just about the slavery, then the fact that every culture had slaves would be more relevant.

If "devils" did slavery the way they did it in Asia, or Africa, North America then I think the "get over it" statements would be understandable and reasonable.

Cac slave traders did more than put chains on and make people work for economics, war, or power gain; which is the difference.
In addition to that, they systematically reduce the mentality of slaves over the Atlantic.. They Purposefully created a climate which was more about self-hate and division than anything else. They attempted to strip the slaves of anything that would remind them of who they were as a people. They forced them to create a new culture; then turn around and criticize every new cultural trend created. They continued to oppress the slaves after slavery... then when they were forced to treat the people who were the same race as former slaves like humans- they pretended to be co-citizens with them only to Institutionally do all the same sh1t til this day.

Even the non racist white people (unconsciously) participate. Even the love of black culture has gone from love- to manipulation, degradation, and exploitation. And that's just black people in America. "devils" have attempted to manipulate, control, and influence every one else as well

Arab slave traders did the same thing. They gave white people the blueprint. But you convenient ignore this.

 

[Black Hans]

Germs, Guns, and Steel?

Isn't that the book that tries to act like their wasn't a world outside of Eurasia but does it in a PC way? fukk outta here with that bullshyt book. Cats really think they dropping knowledge quoting THAT book. Might as well quote a high school history book while you're at it.

 

[Spanish Thought]

I saw some heroin named white devil before.