Where is Carmelo Anthony on your top 10

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You can't say "Bu...bu...but his team is so bad" when he chose the team AND played a part in them being this bad. You can't just overlook it because it's inconvenient.

What you're saying doesn't add up. If he extorted Dolan and said he only signing if he builds a John Lucas III, Tony Snell, Andrew Nicholson and Kendrick Perkins team around him - he'd still be a top 10 player. What blame you hold in the makeup of a team, has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your ability as a player(or where you should be ranked). All these off-the-court decisions really don't mean shyt, other than dude didn't make the best of choices for putting himself in a winning situation - that's all.

I am plainly stating that teams that have comparable or less talent and don't have a "top 10 player" are doing as well or better.

Please don't tell me you think the Knicks are comparable to the Nets, in terms of overall talent.......

If that was all that really mattered then the Knicks wouldn't be as bad as they are.

If we are talking about any other players being there, the amount of money they make and how they got there would have to be taken into account as well.

If you seriously think that has any say in the equation....... there's nothing else I can really say to you. We don't rank players in terms of their salary to ability/production ratio, we rank them by exactly how good they are.

 

[GreatestLaker]

I think Melo is borderline top 10 this year and at worst top 12.

Only players I see that have an argument over him:

Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Paul George
Stephen Curry
Kevin Love
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Blake Griffin
Russell Westbrook

 

[FTBS]

What you're saying doesn't add up. If he extorted Dolan and said he only signing if he builds a John Lucas III, Tony Snell, Andrew Nicholson and Kendrick Perkins team around him - he'd still be a top 10 player. What blame you hold in the makeup of a team, has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your ability as a player(or where you should be ranked). All these off-the-court decisions really don't mean shyt, other than dude didn't make the best of choices for putting himself in a winning situation - that's all.


Please don't tell me you think the Knicks are comparable to the Nets, in terms of overall talent.......







If you seriously think that has any say in the equation....... there's nothing else I can really say to you. We don't rank players in terms of their salary to ability/production ratio, we rank them by exactly how good they are.

When you are talking about elite players things other than production are apart of the equation. Being elite is about more than just production. What tone is he setting? These guys are clearly capable of playing better, they did last year. Where's the leadership? You can pay a bunch of nobody's $5 mil a piece for 7 pts and 2 reb a piece. There is no excuse for this team being this bad in this conference, period. Like I have said numerous times, you forfeit the teammates pass when you choose them...especially when you coulda signed as a FA and allowed your team to have more talent/options.

Who do the Nets have breh? Brook is hurt. D. Will hasn't played like a top 3 PG and KG and PP are clearly . Do they have a top 10 player? Do the Lakers? Do the C's? Pistons? Yet all these teams have a comparable or better record than the Knicks. Like I said you forfeit top 10 consideration when you can't even get in the playoffs in this putrid east.

Did you or did you not ask which players would have this team in a better position? Well how that player got there and how much money they are getting would play a part in their ability to lift the team.

 

[havoc]

Melo is Top 3. Have any of you acknowledged the injuries the Knicks have experienced this season ? Stoudemire, Chandler, Smith, Felton and couple other players have missed a lot of games. There is no way any other star player, beside Melo, could have carry an injury prone team to the playoffs.

 

[mvp_status]

Who do the Nets have breh? Brook is hurt. D. Will hasn't played like a top 3 PG and KG and PP are clearly . Do they have a top 10 player? Do the Lakers? Do the C's? Pistons? Yet all these teams have a comparable or better record than the Knicks. Like I said you forfeit top 10 consideration when you can't even get in the playoffs in this putrid east.

Was Tracy McGrady not a top 10 player on the Magic when they were missing the playoffs? Was Pierce not a top 10 player on the Celtics before the KG/Jesus trades?

 

[MaccKing]

Only players as number one options I would take over him are LeBron and KD...

so top 3.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

When you are talking about elite players things other than production are apart of the equation. Being elite is about more than just production.

Of course, but being elite doesn't have shyt to do with business acumen / how well you can read financial situations.

What tone is he setting? These guys are clearly capable of playing better, they did last year. Where's the leadership? You can pay a bunch of nobody's $5 mil a piece for 7 pts and 2 reb a piece. There is no excuse for this team being this bad in this conference, period.

What part of JR Smith can't maintain that level of play season in, season out don't you understand? Their team is different from last season, a # of players that tied together loose ends are no longer there any more.

JR Smith's FG% has dropped and his PPG has dropped by 5 points - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
Felton's FG% has dropped and his PPG has dropped by 4 points + can't run an offense competently - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
Chandlers missed around 21 games - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
Bargnani was the 'defensive' anchor during the time Chandler was injured - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
The bench barely provides any production - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
All the injuries that have fukked with their chemistry and ability to build momentum - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?

Like I have said numerous times, you forfeit the teammates pass when you choose them...especially when you coulda signed as a FA and allowed your team to have more talent/options.

Then fault his OFF THE COURT DECISION MAKING, not this bullshyt about 'he's not a top 10 player because he didn't make the right decision, and should have waited until he was a FA', ......... yes he does share blame for the position he put himself in (notably going to the Knicks in the first place), but it's got nothing to do with him being a top 10 player.

That is seriously some of the most warped reasoning I've read on here.

Who do the Nets have breh? Brook is hurt. D. Will hasn't played like a top 3 PG and KG and PP are clearly . Do they have a top 10 player? Do the Lakers? Do the C's? Pistons? Yet all these teams have a comparable or better record than the Knicks. Like I said you forfeit top 10 consideration when you can't even get in the playoffs in this putrid east..

KG, PP, Johnson, D-Will, Livingston, Kirilenko, Blatche, Thornton and leaps and bounds better than what the Knicks have.

You're not looking at the situation in its entirety - ask yourself this:

12/13 - 65% winning record
13/14 - 35% winning record

If Melo is playing better this season, with a 35% winning record, compared to the previous season with a 65% winning record, how is it that they're worse off?

Are you telling me that Melo was a top 10 player last season yet although he's playing better this season he isn't one now?

Did you or did you not ask which players would have this team in a better position? Well how that player got there and how much money they are getting would play a part in their ability to lift the team.

In terms of winning with this current team, which players would?

 

[Youngdev]

I think Melo is borderline top 10 this year and at worst top 12.

Only players I see that have an argument over him:

Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Paul George
Stephen Curry
Kevin Love
James Harden
Anthony Davis
Blake Griffin
Russell Westbrook

Take out Paul George and maybe Harden and I'm good with that list

 

[Dat916nigga]

Was Tracy McGrady not a top 10 player on the Magic when they were missing the playoffs? Was Pierce not a top 10 player on the Celtics before the KG/Jesus trades?

kobe KG and wade missed the playoffs in their respective primes too

guess they weren't top 10 players then either

 

[Shogun]

Was Wade to 10 07/08?

 

[andre patton]

kd
lebron james
chris paul
blake griffin
steph curry
kevin love

so i'd put him 7th



to the people that didnt have blake griffin on their lists....do you think the clippers would trade blake for carmelo? do you think the knicks would trade carmelo for blake?

 

[FTBS]

Was Tracy McGrady not a top 10 player on the Magic when they were missing the playoffs? Was Pierce not a top 10 player on the Celtics before the KG/Jesus trades?

Maybe I wasn't clear There is no excuse for a "top 10 player" missing the playoffs let alone winning at a 33% or worse clip in a historically weak conference especially when they chose that situation. If the shoe fits .

Of course, but being elite doesn't have shyt to do with business acumen / how well you can read financial situations.


What part of JR Smith can't maintain that level of play season in, season out don't you understand? Their team is different from last season, a # of players that tied together loose ends are no longer there any more.

JR Smith's FG% has dropped and his PPG has dropped by 5 points - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
Felton's FG% has dropped and his PPG has dropped by 4 points + can't run an offense competently - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
Chandlers missed around 21 games - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
Bargnani was the 'defensive' anchor during the time Chandler was injured - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
The bench barely provides any production - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?
All the injuries that have fukked with their chemistry and ability to build momentum - should that be used against Melo in argument for a top 10 spot?




Then fault his OFF THE COURT DECISION MAKING, not this bullshyt about 'he's not a top 10 player because he didn't make the right decision, and should have waited until he was a FA', ......... yes he does share blame for the position he put himself in (notably going to the Knicks in the first place), but it's got nothing to do with him being a top 10 player.

That is seriously some of the most warped reasoning I've read on here.



KG, PP, Johnson, D-Will, Livingston, Kirilenko, Blatche, Thornton and leaps and bounds better than what the Knicks have.

You're not looking at the situation in its entirety - ask yourself this:

12/13 - 65% winning record
13/14 - 35% winning record

If Melo is playing better this season, with a 35% winning record, compared to the previous season with a 65% winning record, how is it that they're worse off?

Are you telling me that Melo was a top 10 player last season yet although he's playing better this season he isn't one now?





In terms of winning with this current team, which players would?

For the 11000th time I am not denying his production nor am I denying how bad his team is. I am saying his team being this bad, with him on it, gives me pause when it comes to looking at his overall impact. Are the Knicks a mess? No doubt. I just want someone to explain to me how the Lakers who's best player has been out damn near the whole season, who are literally pulling nikkas off the scrap heap, are being coached by a guy we all agree is a joke, AND play in the superior conference have basically the same record as a team with a "top 10 player". The Nuggets have injuries, a tougher conference, players not playing as well as last season, and no "top 10 player" and a better record. I have yet to get a response to this.

I am saying your "top 10 player" privileges get revoked when you can't get your team in the playoffs, and you are this bad, in a horrible conference. I made that clear from the jump. I never denied is ability or production. How can you say he shares blame for the position he's in AND cop pleas based upon the position he's in?

It's funny how you want to thoroughly break down the situation with Melo and then when it comes to others "let's just magically switch places". His salary and how he got there and what was given up to get him is all a part of the package.

 

[Shaft]

kd
lebron james
chris paul
blake griffin
steph curry
kevin love

so i'd put him 7th



to the people that didnt have blake griffin on their lists....do you think the clippers would trade blake for carmelo? do you think the knicks would trade carmelo for blake?

Carmelo with CP3 would be . Blake on the Knicks right now would be worse this season.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Was Tracy McGrady not a top 10 player on the Magic when they were missing the playoffs? Was Pierce not a top 10 player on the Celtics before the KG/Jesus trades?

T-Mac only missed the playoffs once when he was with the Magic in 04. He was suffering from back problems. That was the start of his decline.

Who exactly was Pierce better than in 01, 06 and 07?

2001
Duncan
Shaq
Garnett
Tmac
Jason Kidd
Kobe
Webber
Gary Payton
Karl Malone
Vince Carter
Allen Iverson
Dirk Nowitzki

2005
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Lebron James
Dirk Nowitki
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant
Tracy McGrady
Steve Nash
Amare Stoudemire

2006
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Lebron James
Dirk Nowitki
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant
Tracy McGrady
Steve Nash
Elton Brand

I think you can make a very strong case that Pierce wasn't top 10 for any of the years he missed the playoffs.

 

[mvp_status]

Maybe I wasn't clear There is no excuse for a "top 10 player" missing the playoffs let alone winning at a 33% or worse clip in a historically weak conference especially when they chose that situation. If the shoe fits .

It was a yes or no question breh