You're not only a hater but you are a liar. If you had herad those songs you wouldn't have needed for dude to post those songs.
Where would T.I. go on your G.O.A.T. list?
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Probably rounds off somewhere in the 75-100 ballpark I guess.
I'm not a liar, I've heard the albums before, I don't remember every songs name, and I haven't heard some of the shyt for years, a lot of it was in a car, you really think I'm memorizing the track list names when it was in a car most of the times? lmao. Get his dikk out of your mouth, stop getting so upset like a bytch, grow the fukk up, the other dude posted some shyt and I checked it out and we had a conversation, your acting like a fukking groupie p*ssyhole.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
apparently, the trendy comment went over your head.
so you are the bul that said that? I wasn't sure. well, with that said, I cant really argue with you about chit like this. no offense, but youre too much of a commercial guy. I mean, that's cool if that's the angle you want to run with, but I cant really go back-n-forth on this topic with you.
i'll say this tho. tip was not the 1st trap artist. i give him credit for branding it, but he wasn't the 1st and he dam sure wasn't the one that made it into a viable sub-genre, as i said in the previous post.
and not that i care about the "hits" argument that youre trying to start, but its funny how you claim that jeezy cant make a hit by himself, then turn around and big up "bring em out", a song which was popular because of the jay-z vocal sample(biggie lines). who the hell even remember any of the generic lines tip was spittin on there?
I think he's trying to say you were listening wrong and need to download ti entire discography and listen to it when u have time to really pay attention
....the fact u didn't know he had a lot of music with substance says u wasn't paying close enuff attention and absorbing it.And maybe u just don't like his style
....there's no other reason Shyne who I agree wuz dope and first album classic should rank above t.I...not as nice lyrically,talks about drugs and killing with way less substance than t.I,his debut probaly got better production than any t.I album but that's about it.....I don't think Prodigys that dope at all but I wouldn't stroll all up in a prodigy thread asking his goat status and mock the idea sumbody couldn't rank him high juist bcuz I don't like his style "Prodigy?wouldn't even make top 200
"....I could name 200 nikkas id rather listen to then Prodigy,don't make it laughable that people have him ranked highly just bcuz I never liked his style and don't like it now....if I said Trick Daddy is better than Prodigy id catch hell on here and I actually believe that and Trick is a legend.....if u gon put Shyne above T.I u gotta know u deserve this
....technically the thread does just ask u who u have ranked higher than T.I,so u technically not doing nuthing wrong....but anybody in here actin like T.I is a laughable choice for someone to be ranked high
apparently, the trendy comment went over your head.
so you are the bul that said that? I wasn't sure. well, with that said, I cant really argue with you about chit like this. no offense, but youre too much of a commercial guy. I mean, that's cool if that's the angle you want to run with, but I cant really go back-n-forth on this topic with you.
i'll say this tho. tip was not the 1st trap artist. i give him credit for branding it, but he wasn't the 1st and he dam sure wasn't the one that made it into a viable sub-genre, as i said in the previous post.
and not that i care about the "hits" argument that youre trying to start, but its funny how you claim that jeezy cant make a hit by himself, then turn around and big up "bring em out", a song which was popular because of the jay-z vocal sample(biggie lines). who the hell even remember any of the generic lines tip was spittin on there?
Okay, you're saying I'm commercial, but you're arguing that Jeezy made trap rap viable. On what level did he make it viable? It was already a market before Jeezy dropped the Trap or Die mixtape created by T.I. T.I. proved that a rapper with that content and sound could be successful beyond just the street and mixtape level. It's why a label would even sign a Jeezy.
I'm not commercial. You can't just say, "Well, he wasn't hot like that in the streets" and not back that claim up with more than just "he wasn't poppin' in my hood" or "I never heard anyone playing his music". I can say that I live in GA. I remember which songs by both of them were being bumped (and I'm not talking about the singles on the radio). "ASAP" wasn't commercial. Neither was "Motivation". Even though "U Don't Know Me" was a radio single, it didn't exactly scream commercial either, but was huge in the streets as well. Even from Trap Muzik, there was "24's" which wasn't commercial either, but it's what really made the industry take notice. There was also "Look What I Got" and a couple of others that were big.
LOL @ you crediting the Jay Z vocal sample with "Bring Em Out"'s success. There were several songs that came after that either had a Biggie vocal sample or a Jay vocal sample, but T.I.'s song was the most successful one. Even without that song, there was still "What You Know About That", which was much bigger.
I think he's trying to say you were listening wrong and need to download ti entire discography and listen to it when u have time to really pay attention
And maybe u just don't like his style
Well whatever he was trying to say he said it wrong. And I explained, I've listened to T.I's shyt but not heavy because I haven't felt his music, an associate used to play his music a lot so I heard full albums, I have his discography and have listened to it too. It IS true I haven't listened to it intricately and studied it, the reason for that is I've found it hard to listen to him, merely done it for research, that's why I was asking for some tracks (with an open mind and heart) so I could be quickly directed to those songs. That's what I said to dude, some of it was stylistic and certain technical aspects, but I felt a few joints he posted. I said from the beginning if someone has T.I as their G.O.AT I have no problem with it, I'd disagree but everyone’s got opinion's, it's all good. I'm entitled to express my opinion too. That's what this shyt is for, debate and conversation and discussion, and knowledge droppin, the other guy dropped some tracks and I respected some of them and felt them. I haven't come across a lot of T.I work like that, if I do I will happily revise my opinion and list as I have nothing against the brother. I like Shyne a lot, I like his 2nd album a lot and his Gangland mixtape even, opinions... Shyne has some spirituality and ethics in his music also, plus I feel he has presence and I feel his flow, voice and other things more overall. I didn't mock it, I said what I thought, I already said I don't care where someone rates him lol, I ain't got time to be trippin over someone's list lol. In terms of debate I would happily debate some names on my list vs T.I, K-Rino for example. If you said Prodigy wasn't in your top 200 cool, that's your opinion. The facts are from this thread most people have T.I 30 or below, so it's a common opinion and he's famous enough to be known.
These kids are losing this one. It's ok if you love TI's music, but if you're ranking MCs there's a lot of n!ggas that get put ahead of him. He's not that great, accept it. Then the young buls really said impact CTHU..like that still doesn't put him below like 100 90s rappers.
Matter of fact, where are his "I'm Serious" fans? I knew like 2 chicks that bought it when it first came out...so he didn't capture anyone's attention. Step ya rap game up.
Matter of fact, where are his "I'm Serious" fans? I knew like 2 chicks that bought it when it first came out...so he didn't capture anyone's attention. Step ya rap game up.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
yes u are commercial dog. aren't you also the one that's always campaigning for timbaland being the goat hip-hop producer or something?
'viable' may have been the wrong word. trap didn't explode until jeezy. that's the point. also, jeezy has a million imitators. how many does tip have?
I never said that those singles were commercial. youre arguing with yourself.
dog, the only thing people talked about when "bring em out" was brought up was the vocal sample. that was the main selling point. sure it was bigger than the others like it, seeing that it was the first and had the most money behind it. and I never said that tip didn't have other hits. I was just pointing out your contradiction. you brought "bring em out" up. not me.
What does Timbaland have to do with this?
My point was that T.I. opened up a lane for Jeezy and whatever imitators came after. T.I. made waves with that trap sound when "Dope Boyz" blew up. Then the album Trap Muzik took it to another level. Saying trap didn't explode until Jeezy is like saying Mafisos rap didn't explode until Nas came out with It Was Written. Yes, he adopted a mafisos style of rap for that album, but albums like Only Built 4 Cuban Linx opened up that market about a year before IWW. Mafiosos rap existed before both (Kool G. Rap), but Raekwon was successful in bringing it mainstream. The same way trap existed before T.I. and Jeezy, but Trap Muzik was responsible for taking it mainstream.
And who are these Jeezy imitators you're talking about?
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
Im pretty sure that I agreed that tip opened up the lane. the point is that it exploded thanks to young jeezy.
who are these tip imitators that you speak of? who raps like him?
youre from Atlanta and you never heard any jeezy imitators? wow.
nobody credits nas with blowing up Mafioso rap. like I never heard anybody credit nas for that. not even nas stanleys. horrible comparison. if anything, Mafioso started to dwindle not long after "it was written".
I'm relistening to T.I's shyt right now, and it's really boring me for the most part and have no desire to listen to 99 percent of the joints again. There's only one song so far I have a desire to listen to ever again. He sounds very limited.... If you compare his topics to an artist like Nas, K-Rino, KRS-One and many others you see a vast different. His flow is cool while not being amazingly impressive.
I realize now why I forgot a lot of his shyt cause it's very forgettable to me. Can't hear much creativity and artistry. His flow would be a good point, but his delivery sounds very similar on a lot of joints, not much diversity there so far. I'm finding it a struggle to listen rather than enjoyable. So I guess it's just a case of me not feeling his style. I like something that challenges me intellectually, that I can FEEL, or impresses me, or is creative, there isn't a range of shyt here that does that for me.
I don't feel he's garbage but I do feel I'm listening to something limited and even in that aspect not being incredibly effective from that perspective. There's too much name brand shyt and similar topics and songs for me to be impressed or entertained or for him to be anywhere near my G.O.A.T list. Too many great rappers for that. I hope I finish listening to the rest of his shyt again asap as it's feeling like an ordeal instead of entertainment, maybe could work in a ride as listenable but otherwise not too sure....
I realize now why I forgot a lot of his shyt cause it's very forgettable to me. Can't hear much creativity and artistry. His flow would be a good point, but his delivery sounds very similar on a lot of joints, not much diversity there so far. I'm finding it a struggle to listen rather than enjoyable. So I guess it's just a case of me not feeling his style. I like something that challenges me intellectually, that I can FEEL, or impresses me, or is creative, there isn't a range of shyt here that does that for me.
I don't feel he's garbage but I do feel I'm listening to something limited and even in that aspect not being incredibly effective from that perspective. There's too much name brand shyt and similar topics and songs for me to be impressed or entertained or for him to be anywhere near my G.O.A.T list. Too many great rappers for that. I hope I finish listening to the rest of his shyt again asap as it's feeling like an ordeal instead of entertainment, maybe could work in a ride as listenable but otherwise not too sure....
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