Which NFL prospect QBs are best under pressure? (article inside)
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Teddy 
Problem is, how do they handle pressure- not just the completion % etc.
Wilson, when he is moved out the pocket he isnt running around crazy, but he is looking to throw or pick up the first down with his legs. I dont hear the comparison enough, but Russell reminds me EXACTLY of a young Big Ben. Shifty and tough in the pocket- can use his legs if he needs to, but has the ability and prefers to hurt you with his arm. Both also will not lose the game for you, and work perfectly when you have a solid defense.
Johnny plays alot differently obviously. The kid bounces around the pocket with almost little regard. Although he will hurt you with his arm, you get the feeling that he prefers to throw the ball out the pocket. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing- but he doesnt have the elite size or speed/quickness to do that in the bigs...
Teddy, from what I've seen, just stays in the pocket and and doesnt get rattled at all. That to me is more impressive than the 'Top 10' scrambling plays you see on ESPN- because it reminds me of the calm and intellect of a Brees or a Brady. Thats what you want from your youn QB.
But on the real- I can see Teddy and Johnny both being successful in the league- But its almost largely on what team picks them
Wilson, when he is moved out the pocket he isnt running around crazy, but he is looking to throw or pick up the first down with his legs. I dont hear the comparison enough, but Russell reminds me EXACTLY of a young Big Ben. Shifty and tough in the pocket- can use his legs if he needs to, but has the ability and prefers to hurt you with his arm. Both also will not lose the game for you, and work perfectly when you have a solid defense.
Johnny plays alot differently obviously. The kid bounces around the pocket with almost little regard. Although he will hurt you with his arm, you get the feeling that he prefers to throw the ball out the pocket. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing- but he doesnt have the elite size or speed/quickness to do that in the bigs...
Teddy, from what I've seen, just stays in the pocket and and doesnt get rattled at all. That to me is more impressive than the 'Top 10' scrambling plays you see on ESPN- because it reminds me of the calm and intellect of a Brees or a Brady. Thats what you want from your youn QB.
But on the real- I can see Teddy and Johnny both being successful in the league- But its almost largely on what team picks them
“If I was a GM in the NFL, I would not take him in the first round of the draft … You’ve got to see the quarterbacks throw the ball live. I’ve never seen a top quarterback in the last 10 years have a bad Pro Day until Teddy Bridgewater. He had no accuracy. The ball came out funny. The arm strength wasn’t there, and it made me question everything I saw on tape because this was live.”
—Mike Mayock, on the Petros and Money Show on AM-570 in Los Angeles (via Pro Football Talk)
—Mike Mayock, on the Petros and Money Show on AM-570 in Los Angeles (via Pro Football Talk)
Crazy how ppl and throw away 3 years of tape because of one proday 
These draftniks are amazing..
Forget the game tape. Forget the body of work. Lets focus our entire attentions on a 'glorified practice'
Teddy didnt do himself any favors throwing with no gloves- and it would be a hard argument for the Texans to now take him with the #1.
But to drop the guy from 1 all the way to 35- to just disregard his tape and body of work while creating faux excitement about scrubs (Carr, Savage)- is almost sickening...
Exactly, they didn't do this shyt with Andrew Luck, that's how you end up drafting the Jamarcus Russels and Kyle Bollers of the world. Why do they always ignore film of them playing but put so much stock into a glorified practice routine. Let him fall to 7, Tampa better grab him with the quickness.
These draftniks are amazing..
Forget the game tape. Forget the body of work. Lets focus our entire attentions on a 'glorified practice'
Teddy didnt do himself any favors throwing with no gloves- and it would be a hard argument for the Texans to now take him with the #1.
But to drop the guy from 1 all the way to 35- to just disregard his tape and body of work while creating faux excitement about scrubs (Carr, Savage)- is almost sickening...
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
I think the numbers showcase some objective measure of a QB's efficacy in changing spots and making completions, but I agree the numbers don't shed light on the nuances of how the QBs handle pressure. The numbers only show what the results were after the QB moves from his spot, not what caused him to move from that spot or whether moving was the right decision.
Wilson, when he is moved out the pocket he isnt running around crazy, but he is looking to throw or pick up the first down with his legs.
Johnny plays alot differently obviously. The kid bounces around the pocket with almost little regard. Although he will hurt you with his arm, you get the feeling that he prefers to throw the ball out the pocket. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing- but he doesnt have the elite size or speed/quickness to do that in the bigs...
As I see it, Wilson had superior pocket presence to Manziel. In college Wilson usually only readjusted his positioning to throw when there was actual pressure in his face. He never created pressure when it wasn't there. Manziel does the opposite. And while Manziel has had incredible success at the college level with this strategy, there are no successful examples of QBs who do that on a regular basis in the NFL.
I'm talking about a QB who doesn't properly anticipate the depth of pressure (sees shadows) and reacts by moving spots prematurely (panicking). Manziel isn't always poor in comes to handling pressure, but he's decidedly worse then Wilson was in college, which the above statistics don't necessarily indicate. Therein lies the difference in Manziel and Wilson imho. I think it's an important distinction too.
The statistics here indicate that Teddy completes plays after moving from his spot at similar percentages to Brees and Brady, with the caveat being fewer TDs. Whether that's a function of arm strength, lack of field vision, accuracy or anything significant is beyond me. It's noteworthy to consider that after moving from his spot, Manziel had 9 more 20+ yards passes than Bridgewater over the season. Bridgewater was 10% better in terms of completing passes but most of his passes were short. I'd like to see Brady and Brees' stats here. If Brady doesn't have very many deep players after moving from his spot but maintains a high completion, then Bridgewater is in good stead. Manziel is the wild card here. He'll be amazing or horrible.
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Gruden was saying how he liked how tough Bridgewater is. So as long as he keeps those gloves on (he didn't have them on his pro day) then I think he'll do better than what a lot of these analysts have him ranked. The only concern is that his arm strength doesn't seem to be that great, but i'd prefer accuracy and being able to handle pressure over arm strength any day.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
Luck's pro day wasn't as poor as Teddy's so I think the comparison is invalid to some degree. Luck was lambasted was some of the same criticisms ( Teddy is getting now. Luck silenced the critics with a 70 yard bomb in the wind (starts at 1:00):
I'm not sure Teddy has a strong enough arm to do what Luck did. His lack of arm strength is a legitimate gripe but I'd still take him at 3 if I'm the Jags. They can run a WC system and only try hitting deep occasionally.
PortCityProphet
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People who sit down and breakdown shyt like this to this depth for fun have a different
hobby. Whatever floats their boat tho
hobby. Whatever floats their boat tho
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
The hobby is sports analysis and draftniking, and if you're into sports--which itself is a hobby--why not get some education and know what you're talking. Everybody has hobbies: some people like to smoke weed and gossip bout Nicki Minaj, other people like to talk about draft projections. Get yours and fohh.
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