which rapper played the biggest role in knocking 50 cent from the top and why?

[Art Barr]

It's far from a failure but it's a massive decrease. When eminem did 20 million with em show and 11 million with encore it was far from a failure but still cut in half in a short period

that was more the interscope machine drawing back.
anytime a movie came out from an interscope artist.
they drew back in pr saturation, to somehow preserve the draw from the artist from moving into the destruction of the draw territory.

which is why you never really want a movie as a diamond interscope artist.
the only label to really capitalize off a movie and create more success was defjam.
yet, rush management never created two diamond domestic sales artist.
so the rush management turned defjam movie model can not be used as an exact reference.
to artist who were ten times smaller in run dmc.
to jay/dmx who were two times smaller than interscope's diamond selling artist.


art barr

 

[FlyRy]

50 did it to himself...

this.. he didnt evolve or change up his sound AT ALL. and got stale..same thing happened to DMX

 

[Art Barr]

Game and Jadakiss made him a little less cool in the streets with the whole snitch thing and countless disses but it didnt really matter because that audience bootlegged his shyt anyways, as far as mainstream goes the Kanye sales battle was the dagger... 50 also played a part by having so many beefs and isolating himself from so many people that he could probably use to stay afloat today

Ross did NOTHING to effect 50s career or relevance, he just showed everyone that 50 couldnt end peoples careers as easy as everyone thought especially considering how much effort he put into that beef, but 50 was already B- list by the time that beef happened

15% - Kiss/Styles
20% - Game
32% - Kanye battle
33% - 50s ego

jada/styles had to save face.
they stopped no traction in fiddy's draw.
jada/styles had to save face from the i run ny record.
their save face record did not come out till well after the beef was a moot point when shots fired dropped.


art barr

 

[NvrCMyNut]

camron, nas fukking jada all these rappers were peons compared to 50, they did nothing to stop the reign. 50 killed 50.

 

[Art Barr]

this.. he didnt evolve or change up his sound AT ALL. and got stale..same thing happened to DMX

dmx actually showed his full range of skill on grand champion.
dmx, falling off was more internal/administration conflict.
which resulted in poor sales and a new record company who did not know how to properly market and sustain dmx's draw.
dmx made different types of records, of all quality.
it is just his new label had no idea what to do.
plus, he was coming off of being in admin based limbo on defjam, too.

fiddy ruined his draw by disturbing the pr, and marketing model that gave him prominence.
that is what hurt fiddy.

the rest was just what happens when you fukk up your model.
that makes you susceptible to a faster decline and destruction of your draw.



art barr

 

[MiC]

You don't think encore selling half the previous album had anything to do with the extreme decrease in quality?

 

[Art Barr]

This made 50 Cent not diss Nas anymore

he still dissed nas after that, though.

only person who dissed in that time period.
where fiddy had no response was: AZ
who also, made a better response to fiddy lyrically and in full execution.
incomparison to nas's diss that was dope.
yet, not really good enough being a nas record to cause fiddy any decline in draw.
the same way nas's ether did to jayz.

art barr

 

[WhatsGoodTy]

50 Ego murked 50. How this get 3 pages?

 

[Art Barr]

You don't think encore selling half the previous album had anything to do with the extreme decrease in quality?

the interscope machine just was not promoting that album in the same manner that em's past projects were marketed at.
encore was marketed as, a bsides/leftovers project.
with the resulting sales still being large domestic and international sellers.
with less effort from interscope based on eminem's permeation.
not his actual full draw when marketed at its full potential.
as a matter of fact, all of em's projects after encore.
have been marketed with the same lower quality that encore was marketed at.
which is why em, has had to slow burn sell records.
as opposed to the gangbuster style sales, eminem used to be the benefactor of.
which is all because the marketing of encore and the records after.
have all been marketed as bsides released to the public.
whereas before,...
all eminem's previous blockbuster sales records were marketed as true high quality submissions.
once interscope found another formula to drive diamond sales from em's projects.
they went in that route,..
instead of returning back to the previous sales model.
which is a mistake,..
as it makes all of eminem's projects afterwards seem like they are not actually of any importance.

you never change the sales model that brought you to the dance.
interscope has done that and their artist and sales have suffered for it.
that inferior marketing helps for a guy like kl.
all because, any emo record if given an iota of the pr that a top sellling interscope artist got.
will metriculate in higher sales on average than that genre usually will net.
slug's distribution deal proved that.
as it was not highly marketed, but easily sold ten times more than atmosphere sold as an indy.

in the case of eminem,..
eminem helped to create a number of sales models for interscope's rap artist.
that can be applied to any type of artist and still result in higher sales for artist not in his direct genre or draw.



art barr

 

[MiC]

How have they all been marketed as B sides released to the public?

 

[surv2syn]

That's a good point 50 never really had a solid crew member to support him. Like you said yayo always garbage and buck/banks went play once each off 50s buzz but 2nd time around failed to even go gold. Game would have been it.

exactly...even though Banks is fire on the mic..they never had a true presence of their own aside from being underground artists...like Buck was before and after...even today they are still known as 50's homeboys. he fukked up by not keeping Game in the group. Game made them a supergroup because he brought his own fanbase...a whole coast.

 

[surv2syn]

yo Art...

Fiddy had lyrical prowess on Power of the Dollar...then he got on the paper chase, got shot, signed with Interscope..and dumbed his lyrics way down. once you do that...you cant really go back unless you are feeding all fanbases at the same time. he became a very rich man...which ultimately was his objective...but with his simplified lyrics...his staying power was basically here today and gone tomorrow. lyrically, his mass appeal style was not built to last....basically because what the radio plays and the style that is in....changes every couple of years. Fiddy got dated real fast. Fiddy could spit...but he compromised his lyrics...something Jay and Nas never did.

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

50 started too many wars that he couldn't finish. He didn't maintain that career ether status that he did to JaRule. He's the Mike Tyson of Hip Hop without the financial windfall.

 

[Art Barr]

How have they all been marketed as B sides released to the public?

relapse was marketed as the horrorcore album.
all eminem fans wanted since ssep, to the thirsten howl record.
with the perception, that interscope was not going to initially let him have his way and do that record.
it even featured 3am which was a departure from the hi my name is marketed run.
which was the second marketed run on sslp,..
as the first single on sslp was, the remix to i just don't give a fukk from ssep which gained no traction.
before eminem, released hi my name is, and made mtv into emtv.
recovery was marketed as a complete departure from eminem's typical type of music, and that is why it was piggybacked with relapse in its original marketing.
which was we got relapse coming and recovery which were marketed as interscope experimentation albums for eminem.

eminem has not had an album marketed with the dr dre model since the eminem show.
as a matter of fact,....eminem even had a platinum storebought mixtape that went platinum as well.
which featured cassius and was marketed as a bside mixtape as well.

this new eminem single is marketed with the second run sslp marketing formula.
that became his marketed formula on mmlp and eminem show.



art barr

 

[Art Barr]

yo Art...

Fiddy had lyrical prowess on Power of the Dollar...then he got on the paper chase, got shot, signed with Interscope..and dumbed his lyrics way down. once you do that...you cant really go back unless you are feeding all fanbases at the same time. he became a very rich man...which ultimately was his objective...but with his simplified lyrics...his staying power was basically here today and gone tomorrow. lyrically, his mass appeal style was not built to last....basically because what the radio plays and the style that is in....changes every couple of years. Fiddy got dated real fast. Fiddy could spit...but he compromised his lyrics...something Jay and Nas never did.

jay and nas compromise their integrity lyrically every album since their original drawing inception.
especially, in the current here and now.
as neither jay nor nas is an example of sound technical skills and execution as they were in previous years.
when, they should have matured skills and grown like g rap, kane, krs, rakim, finesse, etc...
shyt even cam builds or built on skill.
nas and jay have regressed as quality emcees.
they both live off of nostalgia.

fiddy just was based off of the mase skillset on pod.
once, mase was not available to copy from consistently in that era.
he turned to pac, southern and westcoast styled music.
which some would say is being versatile.
fiddy skills morphed a lot.
also,..interscope if it wanted to.
just like with kendrick can easily change the focus of the whole industry to what they want it to be.
i also,..feel since the industry has found out how to appeal and mass market emo.
it is easier for them to use that model.
yet, it will eventually fall by the wayside.
as emo has a certain shelf life and the draw is completely limited, in a pop context.
on top of emo artist really have no way of protecting themselves lyrically battlewise.
so, once a skilled emcee comes along with a change of content and direction.
to squelch the emo model out.
fiddy could easily be the type of artist interscope remarkets as its main direction.

people forget the change in the industry trying to acquire 360 deal type artist, who are safe and pop associated.
is why the industry has embraced emo.
when, emo was drawing largely as the only drawing genre in the underground since 1996, with slug.


art barr