White Coli Posters: How do YOU Feel About this Riley Cooper Situation?

[HHR]

I'm not talking about the usual knee-jerk pseudo-conservative contrarians when it comes to race issues. I'm thinking more along the lines of @Listen, @HHR, @Absolut @the white hip hop thief @Big Mel etc.

I. Do you think Riley Cooper should be punished? By The league? By his team?

I think the team has every right to punish him, but the league is a trickier situation. Given the precedent Goodell has set regarding "protecting the shield" and whatnot, a fine isn't out of order. Anything beyond that is more complicated. Severe punishment for comments/actions that weren't intended for the public arena opens the door to a lot of problems.

II. Do you find the term "CAC" offensive? Would you equate it to "n1gger?"

I don't take any offense to the word CAC itself, but some of the situations where certain idiots on here use it is a different story. The "all cacs are racist" kind of comments annoy the shyt outta me.
That said, cac/cracker/honky are NOTHING like other racial slurs. Though I've always been of the opinion that words themselves carry far less weight than the meaning/feeling behind the statement.

III. Do you avoid race discussions on The Coli in general? Do you think discussions fail to rise a level worthy of engaging?

I do for the most part, if only because the majority of posters here (black and white) are generally incapable of saying anything worth responding to or having a dialog about.

IV. Do you agree with the consensus among black posters that there's a clear difference between "nikka" and "n1gger" or do you think that's a convenient rationalization?

Definitely, and it's pretty obvious imo. It sort of goes back to my earlier point about paying more attention to the intent of the statement than the specific words used. Colin Cowherd frequently makes offensive statements and doesn't have to include racial slurs to do it.

V. Do you feel sympathetic to the shyttiness of racism blacks face in this country in general, but less sympathetic when you read posts about race on The Coli?

I feel uncomfortable responding to this because I acknowledge that I'll never experience the kind of racism and prejudice that the majority of this board has and will. I don't understand how people can't feel sympathy towards those who have experienced racism first hand. I know that for the most part it just comes from a place of ignorance, but dismissing racism still strikes me as lacking small piece of ones humanity. But people from all over have difficulty understanding what they've never seen first hand. If you haven't been exposed to the kind of bullshyt that really does happen, I get that it can be hard to believe.

That said, I do feel like a lot of times Coli posters jump to pull out the race card in situations where there is little more than two races involved in a story/event. Doing so only serves to weaken the importance of the accusation when the situation actually warrants it.

I'm genuinely curious about your opinions as far as all those questions go...

I realize that this is some shytty writing, but I'm too tired to try and clarify these thoughts.

 

[Da_Eggman]

Why is it rarely worth engaging?

and what exactly do you .mean by it represents a small majority

its rarely worth engaging to me since i honestly don't care about race or politics discussions much

since i mostly just talk sports is why

by my understanding his question is kinda saying "do you feel less sympathetic for racism after reading posts that are firmly racism by posters on this site"

i'm saying not really since even if that was true it still represents a small majority of people in america

 

[the cac mamba]

leme throw in my 2 cents

the most valid point made in the WHOLE discussion or whatever

was when said "the word came outa his mouth way too easily".

and thats about it. thats years of down south, racist ass upbringing

 

[Midwest]

*crickets*......................even with all the white posters on this bytch.


*Enters black athlete name in trouble or going broke*
thread goes plat.



SCUST!!!!!!!!

 

[KEEPITTRILLA]

I. Do you think Riley Cooper should be punished? By The league? By his team?
yeah by whoever gets to him first
II. Do you find the term "CAC" offensive? Would you equate it to "n1gger?"
haha no its the least offensive "offensive" term ever
III. Do you avoid race discussions on The Coli in general? Do you think discussions fail to rise a level worthy of engaging?
race discussions on the internet suck everywhere
IV. Do you agree with the consensus among black posters that there's a clear difference between "nikka" and "n1gger" or do you think that's a convenient rationalization?
i agree
V. Do you feel sympathetic to the shyttiness of racism blacks face in this country in general, but less sympathetic when you read posts about race on The Coli?
why wold i feel less sympathetic on the coli

 

[Bone Bender]

Im not white or black, but I wanna get my post count up so Ill reply.

I. Do you think Riley Cooper should be punished? By The league? By his team?
If the NFL or NFL teams wants to take a hard stance against racial/homophobic slurs then yes. Take some money out of his pocket. The biggest punishment is already being doled out by the public and is much harsher than any money taken out of his paycheck.

II. Do you find the term "CAC" offensive? Would you equate it to "n1gger?"
Its a racial term, but I dont think its racist per se. Definitely not in the league of offensiveness as ******, spic, or kike. Theres no history of oppressiveness and hatred associated to cac/cracker so its not as offensive as the other slurs I posted. Obviously if someone calls a white guy a cracker with animosity/venom behind the word then he would get offended, who wouldnt? But Id wager that the offense would be in the fact that he was being insulted rather than being "racially" insulted. Like he'd be equally insulted if instead of cracker, he was called an a$$hole.

III. Do you avoid race discussions on The Coli in general? Do you think discussions fail to rise a level worthy of engaging?
Im usually looking for threads where I can find something funny to joke about so I dont get into talks about race. Im not really well read on race matters tbh. All my thoughts and opinions on race and racism are based on common sense stuff.

IV. Do you agree with the consensus among black posters that there's a clear difference between "nikka" and "n1gger" or do you think that's a convenient rationalization?
I understand why its thought to be different. Nikka as its commonly used is as a descriptor for people in general. Ive seen people here refer to blacks, whites, asians, pacific islanders as nikkas at one point or another. Ive read that the rationalization of blacks referring to each other as nikkas was as a way of taking the power out of the word. But Ive also read by other posters who claim to be black that the rationale is bs. That there is no difference between nikka or ****** except in the way its pronounced. I think both thoughts are true and its up to the individual if theyre alright with being called a nikka by another black person.

V. Do you feel sympathetic to the shyttiness of racism blacks face in this country in general, but less sympathetic when you read posts about race on The Coli?
Like I said above Im not really into race matters, but its obvious that minorities will feel the effects of racism at some point in our lives, so I am sympathetic. As for being less sympathetic because of the Coli, no.

 

[fact]

Personally, because we live in a ESPN world, I feel like this is blown way out of proportion as far as media coverage goes. With the Zimmerman trial, the Paula Dean thing, and now this, it is just adding fuel to the fire of worsening race relations, obviously the Zimmerman trial being at the forefront, but because our country(maybe the world?) is so obsessed with the "celebrity" this is alot bigger a deal than it should be. Some people are just not gonna get along, thats that. I personally do not make race a huge thing in my life, because I was raised by a man that quantified his lot in life solely on getting and giving respect based on how you present yourself as a man, firm handshake, look in your eyes, head up, chest out. I truly believe that when someone like Riley fukking Cooper comes along (who ever gave a frogs fat ass about that fukking guy?) and says something like he said, you get 2 reactions
1. genuine dissapointment, if you are a fan, friend, team mate, somebody that connected with the dude in some way and you were wrong about that dude. It was disrespectful for him to say that, but he has to carry that now, and if that is how he really feels, why the fukk would anybody care how the son of a bytch feels, I mean that is his burden to carry and if somebody feels that strongly about addressing it, then they will address it with him. Is he sorry to have said it, or sorry to have gotten caught? Who is to know? He fukked up his life moving forward, whatever happens to him, happens to him, who really cares? Personally, I didn't give a fukk about him before, and i could give a fukk about him now.
2. Fake outrage. Again, referring back to who the fukk cares? Are we that much of a "star fukker" country that some football player saying that shyt is gonna cause riots? I mean honestly, was this fukking bum saying that really an "eye opening" thing for the black community? I am asking honestly? Did this "confirm" that there is some kind of racist agenda that has been hidden? If anybody feels that way, they are blind, deaf, and dumb. Guess what, there is still strong racism in the white community, it will never change, it is not getting any worse or any better. I see it both ways in plain sight in the media and all over social media networks, I see some exagerated reckless tough talk about I see some passive aggressive bullshyt, no matter how you present it, it is still racism.
As far as the CAC shyt, some of the people here say that shyt for laughs, some say that shyt because they are behind the computer screen, and some say that shyt because they feel it makes the world balance out for the racism that they have gone through or percieve they have gone through. I am just thankfull that my father raised me strong and to live a life of respect instead of a life of judgement based on anything that you cant control, god knows this fukking life is hard enough without carrying unnesesary judgement and hatred along with you to weigh you down.

 

[Absolut]

1. yes, yes, and yes
2. no, and no
3. usually, and usually
4. yes
5. depends on the issue at hand

 

[JLaw]

I'm not talking about the usual knee-jerk pseudo-conservative contrarians when it comes to race issues. I'm thinking more along the lines of @Listen, @HHR, @Absolut @the white hip hop thief @Big Mel etc.

I. Do you think Riley Cooper should be punished? By The league? By his team?
II. Do you find the term "CAC" offensive? Would you equate it to "n1gger?"
III. Do you avoid race discussions on The Coli in general? Do you think discussions fail to rise a level worthy of engaging?
IV. Do you agree with the consensus among black posters that there's a clear difference between "nikka" and "n1gger" or do you think that's a convenient rationalization?
V. Do you feel sympathetic to the shyttiness of racism blacks face in this country in general, but less sympathetic when you read posts about race on The Coli?

I'm genuinely curious about your opinions as far as all those questions go...

I'm 1/2 native american, but look white, identify as white.

I. by the league, absolutely. it was unadulterated hate speech and should be punished as the crime that it is. but fines, fake apologies, these don't accomplish much more than to vindicate right-wing bigots and their own imagined persecution. it's more important that Riley Cooper was exposed, judged, and OSTRACIZED by his community. McCoy coming out to say that he lost all respect for Cooper, means more than whatever wrist-slapping the league can dish out. people who still harbor racial prejudice need to experience oppression firsthand.

II. no. N----- is the most destructive word in the english language. Cracker/cac has never been used to oppress anyone, never been used as a catalyst for violence, there's no comparison. cac is funny.

III. mostly yes, but that's because I visit the Coli for comedy and sports talk. the racial discussions here can be troubling - it's not because it isn't informed or insightful, but because it's incredibly discouraging for someone who cares a great deal about progress and race relations, to see the extreme viewpoints that have been molded by the world they face. I thought it was ridiculous that so many people here believe that all whites are lowkey racists...but the Coli has really opened my eyes to so many of the subtle, underhanded ways that American society devalues black people. and then it makes sense. it's just depressing to be confronted with these things that you know can't be changed in your lifetime.

IV. hmm. something I think not enough people realize is, it's not like black people all sat down for a meeting and decided that they were 2 separate words. "nikka" is "n-----" pronounced with a southern accent. and because black americans originated in the south, virtually all traditional black accents and dialects will pronounce it that way. I think the dichotomy of the word into a "friendly version" and "hateful version" is really just an excuse for white people to appropriate the way that blacks use the word. white people should never use either term. obviously there's a difference between bonafide racists and people trying to appropriate the culture and fit in, but the latter group should be educated on why it's not okay for them to say it, regardless of context.

V. I live in Florida, and the plight of blacks in america is something I have tremendous sympathy for, and desperately hope to improve. I do not lose any sympathy when faced with some of the proportionally hateful voices on the Coli, because blacks not trusting whites...I might not like it, it might not be completely rational to hate ALL whites, but I can't blame any of them for arriving at that philosophy. blacks were brought here on slave ships, dehumanized and exploited, and have been given marginal pieces of their humanity back, one by one. nothing can heal that wound.

 

[Soundwave]

@GoddamnyamanProf

 

[Soundwave]

I'm 1/2 native american, but look white, identify as white.

I. by the league, absolutely. it was unadulterated hate speech and should be punished as the crime that it is. but fines, fake apologies, these don't accomplish much more than to vindicate right-wing bigots and their own imagined persecution. it's more important that Riley Cooper was exposed, judged, and OSTRACIZED by his community. McCoy coming out to say that he lost all respect for Cooper, means more than whatever wrist-slapping the league can dish out. people who still harbor racial prejudice need to be treated like the groups they seek to oppress.

II. no. N----- is the most destructive word in the english language. Cracker/cac has never been used to oppress anyone, never been used as a catalyst for violence, there's no comparison. cac is funny.

III. mostly yes, but that's because I visit the Coli for comedy and sports talk. the racial discussions here can be troubling - it's not because it isn't informed or insightful, but because it's incredibly discouraging for someone who cares a great deal about progress and race relations, to see the extreme viewpoints that have been molded by the world they face. I thought it was ridiculous that so many people here believe that all whites are lowkey racists...but the Coli has really opened my eyes to so many of the subtle, underhanded ways that American society devalues black people. and then it makes sense. it's just depressing to be confronted with these things that you know can't be changed in your lifetime.

IV. hmm. something I think not enough people realize is, it's not like black people all sat down for a meeting and decided that they were 2 separate words. "nikka" is "n-----" pronounced with a southern accent. and because black americans originated in the south, virtually all traditional black accents and dialects will pronounce it that way. I think the dichotomy of the word into a "friendly version" and "hateful version" is really just an excuse for white people to appropriate the way that blacks use the word. white people should never use either term. obviously there's a difference between bonafide racists and people trying to appropriate the culture and fit in, but the latter group should be educated on why it's not okay for them to say it, regardless of context.

V. I live in Florida, and the plight of blacks in america is something I have tremendous sympathy for, and desperately hope to improve. I do not lose any sympathy when faced with some of the proportionally hateful voices on the Coli, because blacks not trusting whites...I might not like it, it might not be completely rational to hate ALL whites, but I can't blame any of them for arriving at that philosophy. blacks were brought here on slave ships, dehumanized and exploited, and have been given marginal pieces of their humanity back, one by one. nothing can heal that wound.

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[the white hiphop thief]

I'm not talking about the usual knee-jerk pseudo-conservative contrarians when it comes to race issues. I'm thinking more along the lines of @Listen, @HHR, @Absolut @the white hip hop thief @Big Mel etc.

I. Do you think Riley Cooper should be punished? By The league? By his team?
II. Do you find the term "CAC" offensive? Would you equate it to "n1gger?"
III. Do you avoid race discussions on The Coli in general? Do you think discussions fail to rise a level worthy of engaging?
IV. Do you agree with the consensus among black posters that there's a clear difference between "nikka" and "n1gger" or do you think that's a convenient rationalization?
V. Do you feel sympathetic to the shyttiness of racism blacks face in this country in general, but less sympathetic when you read posts about race on The Coli?

I'm genuinely curious about your opinions as far as all those questions go...

1-By the league no i think he has a right to earn a paycheck even if hes a bigoted hick scumbag hes just a bad player so hes expendable enough to be made an example of by the nfl to pretend they give a sh!t. The team has every right to do what they did though.in the ultimate team sport in a locker room with mostly black dudes it would be hard as hell to have him in there and playing all year while the 500 lb elephants clearly in the room.

2-i found cac funny thr firts time i heard Chris Rock say it to equate it to ****** would be ignorant as hell

3-I always enjoyed honest race discussion/dialogue here with certain cats in here like yourself and others because i think its needed..i think too many people are on edge these days and overly sensitive of coming off being labeled a racist or whatever if they voice their opinions so nobodies honest and nothing gets done..

4-Definitely..im actually embarrased by white people who try to compare a slang term of endearment to a clearly racist use of the word like how Cooper used it

5-No because i dont take most people in here that seriously..im not gonna lie and say it never has bothered me or i never laughed or rolled my eyes at some posters claiming ignorance and racism of white people as a whole while theyre just as ignorant and bigoted especially early on in the coliseum when i first started but i just tune those types of people out.Plus i come from a family of somewhat bigoted italians[not all] and from a time in nyc when race relations between us and minorities was pretty brutal.Ive seen it all and realize everyone has certain prejudices about other races anyone who claims not too is full of sh!t



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[Kal El]

I. Do you think Riley Cooper should be punished? By The league? By his team?
He should've been punished by the league no question. NFL players coming out and using racial slurs isn't a good look. Goodell's trying to clean up the reputation of the league, and it shouldn't be limited to criminal activity.

II. Do you find the term "CAC" offensive? Would you equate it to "n1gger?"
Yeah I do. CAC doesn't have an -a ending. It's not a term of endearment. If someone's using it, let's be real, they're trying to demean/offend white people. But it doesn't come close to equating to -er for obvious reasons.

III. Do you avoid race discussions on The Coli in general? Do you think discussions fail to rise a level worthy of engaging?
From what I've seen, if you don't agree with the overwhelming majority on race issues you get labeled a CAC, c00n or uncle tom.

IV. Do you agree with the consensus among black posters that there's a clear difference between "nikka" and "n1gger" or do you think that's a convenient rationalization?
Definitely agree, and I don't see what's so hard to understand about it. Cooper using the -er version means he had malicious intent behind that word.

V. Do you feel sympathetic to the shyttiness of racism blacks face in this country in general, but less sympathetic when you read posts about race on The Coli?
Yes, and yes. I feel bad about answering yes on the 2nd part, but when you see a lot of hate filled rants directed at whites, and those rants get several daps, it has a bit of an effect. But there's opinionated individuals on all message boards, so it's not THAT big of a deal to me. It's no different than predominantly white message boards that have posters who are racist towards black/other minorities. Load up that ignore list and keep it movin. I mostly check out the coli, or "The Gym" which is probably the only subsection on the site where you won't see anything about race.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

I'm not talking about the usual knee-jerk pseudo-conservative contrarians when it comes to race issues. I'm thinking more along the lines of @Listen, @HHR, @Absolut @the white hip hop thief @Big Mel etc.

I. Do you think Riley Cooper should be punished? By The league? By his team?
II. Do you find the term "CAC" offensive? Would you equate it to "n1gger?"
III. Do you avoid race discussions on The Coli in general? Do you think discussions fail to rise a level worthy of engaging?
IV. Do you agree with the consensus among black posters that there's a clear difference between "nikka" and "n1gger" or do you think that's a convenient rationalization?
V. Do you feel sympathetic to the shyttiness of racism blacks face in this country in general, but less sympathetic when you read posts about race on The Coli?

I'm genuinely curious about your opinions as far as all those questions go...

1). He should be punished, sure. It'll probably lead to another phony celeb apology about how he's learned the error of his ways and done a 180 overnight blah blah. But yeah, he should lose some money, especially if were going by the precedent set by pro sports punishments for anti-gay slurs.

2) I don't find cac offensive but I do find humor in the hypocrisy often displayed by cac-happy posters

3) No, I engage in race-related discussions often.

4) Nah, disagree. I know a ton of people that like to say its two different words to justify using the "good" version, both white and black. It'd be easier if that were the case but it just isn't. How do I know I'm right? Have a white person drop a friendly "nikka" around a group of unknown black folks and watch how fast they become the same word

5) I feel like I'm in a somewhat unique position of feeling empathy to the plight of others. Maybe it has to do with the fact that growing up, I was always the minority. Granted it wasn't in an adult world with adult consequences, but still I learned early on what it was to be the odd one out, to be singled out because of differences, etc.

Also my mom was a hippie and was always taught me that peace, love and understanding business. So perhaps as a result I've always had a very strong belief in taking a stand against any social injustice and frankly i don't see how most people seem to not give a shyt unless its something that personally affects them.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

1).

Also my mom was a hippie and was always taught me that peace, love and understanding business. .

Why do you hate kobe then?