White Nursing instructor tells white students not to share test notes with blacks

[25YOUTHS!!]

????? If you're taking a class at Comm. College and scoring 50s on final exams...you have bigger problems than other students cheating.

You dunno what you're talking about or at least not familiar with healthcare/science majors breh.
I took an anatomy class with nursing students @ a community college my senior year of HS and the high score was usually in the low 80's on exams so the curve was easily 15-20 points.
I also went to a top 50 public university for undergrad and the class average for most of our O-chem exams was in the 60's. A curve is NECESSARY in these classes and curve killers (in this case by cheating) would be doubly bad for the non-cheating student since you're not only tested on the material but also who you do relative to your classmates.

I'd imagine that the % of students passing licensing exams is what strongly determines the ranking of nursing schools. Not sure how having ANY of their students fail benefits the nursing school.

If you don't pass the school exams, you don't get to sit for the standard licensing exams...This is how schools artificially inflate their % pass rate b/c it only counts the students who they LET take the exams in the first place. A school can have a 98% pass rate on the licensing exams but also have a 50% attrition rate

 

[kittenheels]

I'd imagine that the % of students passing licensing exams is what strongly determines the ranking of nursing schools. Not sure how having ANY of their students fail benefits the nursing school.

Its based on NCLEX passing rates. So if 20 people graduate from the school of nursing, and 20 of them all pass, then the school remains in good standing. I'm talking about jumping through hurdles to graduate. My class started with 40 blacks and 10 graduated.

I'm talking from experience and other fellow black RNs. We all have a story. Colleges are a business, of course, you as a student you think you are on an even playing field, then you find out Sarah and Ashley has gotten extra help from a prof, and the prof guarantees them to pass the class and is told not to share with the minority students. I have seen a girl get a 50 on a major exam and fail the class, and next semester she is in the same class with me. They will let in but will you graduate? All the shyt we have to experience, they let me know I was a ******. Then they say nursing isn't for everybody, you can still be a CNA.

 

[Moesif]

Asian kids got cheating on LOCK...white kids need admin help. If a bunch of white kids passed something, they got inside help for sure. I know in one of my micro classes, this white girl I knew basically got word for words answers from the professor for the upcoming exam, shared them with me so I had them, but when the grading came back, I had random missed points on my answers. Our answers weren't word for word, but we were saying the same stuff. I argued with him about it using her exam cause I knew he wouldn't take points off of hers. Later that week, she doesn't want to study with me anymore and I'm like "why?" "oh, professor said I shouldn't let people copy my work.." ummm what? You literally just got answers from him, you didn't DO any work.

When I saw her in corporate finance, I acted like I never even knew her.

You also have to be careful on the shucking and jiving teachers...those ones who go lighter on the white kids and harder on the black kids to 'teach us a lesson' or whatever BS they've come up with to justify trying to hold their own back.

Also, when you take stereo typically "white" classes, be prepared. Ended up taking Mandarin and Ancient Civilizations courses and both those teachers were on something iffy. I signed up for a "Spring break in QingDao" program the language department had going (Dad submitted the deposit and everything) and didn't hear back until I asked about it, meanwhile, all the white kids had already gotten email confirmations and "what to pack" lists....They finally responded that they think my application must've 'gotten lost in the shuffle' when really, they just don't like when black kids sign up for those types of opportunities. Same thing happened to my sister for her language trip to Tunisia. For ancient civilizations, I wanted to do my research paper on Isis Fortuna, got a bunch of grief from the professor...ended up using an abstract she had written as the basis for my paper and watched her red mark the hell out of it; she told me "I just need you to try harder" so I told her, "well I used your abstract as the basis for my paper" and watched her face fall...just being difficult for the hell of it. Don't want to see black succeed.

man this got me worked up. what part of the country did you study in breh?

 

[Cadillac]

I thought I pulled back on what I could have said. Do you understand that white people keep "affirmative action" on the tip of their tongues when you start talking about blacks in higher learning? They always bring up how blacks are taking spots that should be whites and Asians, but here they are cheating. And not just cheating, but they made sure to withhold information specifically from blacks in this case. Black people the only ones in America expected to play fair. Do we even need to talk about those Asian cheating scandals? And then people turn right around talkin about blacks lagging behind and not focusing on school.

there was a study that majority of black people invest in there kids education, infact in that study we show more interest than other races..

the issues alot of times is the obstacles that are out of our control that affect us

 

[get these nets]

You dunno what you're talking about or at least not familiar with healthcare/science majors breh.
I took an anatomy class with nursing students @ a community college my senior year of HS and the high score was usually in the low 80's on exams so the curve was easily 15-20 points.
I also went to a top 50 public university for undergrad and the class average for most of our O-chem exams was in the 60's. A curve is NECESSARY in these classes and curve killers (in this case by cheating) would be doubly bad for the non-cheating student since you're not only tested on the material but also who you do relative to your classmates.

Oh great,I'm always open to learn but I don't think that you or anybody here believes that I don't know what I'm talking about. Nursing is a big profession among women from my ethnic background..and there are LpNs, RNs,BSNs, and nursing PhDs in our extended family. If any of them have struggled to pass state licensing exams or school finals...it would be news to me.

Instructor should be removed and or prosecuted. If you read the story though, I think you'll agree with my original point that no good student would fail that final because of what the instructor did. All the students were given a study sheet/chart/review . Unless I misunderstood what I read, the instructor highlighted the relevant material for the white students. The article above says she "highlighted the answers", but that doesn't make sense .

Organic Chemistry is a weed out course. Separates strong students, who should pursue medical studies, from the ones who probably should not. I'm aware of curves being used in tough courses..but like I said in my first reply in the thread....I don't think a strong enough curve exists in this comm. college class that any solid student would fail the final.

If you don't pass the school exams, you don't get to sit for the standard licensing exams...This is how schools artificially inflate their % pass rate b/c it only counts the students who they LET take the exams in the first place. A school can have a 98% pass rate on the licensing exams but also have a 50% attrition rate

Which is fine, but it doesn't address my response to the poster who wrote that "nursing schools love to see Black students fail".This is a community college, with an open admission policy, so they can't raise admissions criteria to produce a better pool of students. They accept the people who apply. Again, I don't see how any of their students failing benefits the school. Even if it's an associates degree mill, and just taking students for the fed. student aid money, at some point the word would get out and perhaps lower the number of students in that concentration

 

[EndDomination]

Definitely didn't have this experience in college, but I don't have "trust" for professors as a whole because of just how easily favoritism can play into absolutely everything.
Especially if the test is based on teacher perceptions of material, a racist professor can just as easily give a boost to White students or drop the grade of a Black student.
I had a few professors who refused to grade assignments with names on them. That's always my preference.

 

[get these nets]

Its based on NCLEX passing rates. So if 20 people graduate from the school of nursing, and 20 of them all pass, then the school remains in good standing. I'm talking about jumping through hurdles to graduate. My class started with 40 blacks and 10 graduated.

I'm talking from experience and other fellow black RNs. We all have a story. Colleges are a business, of course, you as a student you think you are on an even playing field, then you find out Sarah and Ashley has gotten extra help from a prof, and the prof guarantees them to pass the class and is told not to share with the minority students. I have seen a girl get a 50 on a major exam and fail the class, and next semester she is in the same class with me. They will let in but will you graduate? All the shyt we have to experience, they let me know I was a ******. Then they say nursing isn't for everybody, you can still be a CNA.

Thanks for sharing your personal experience in the actual field.
I'm not sure of your family background, but we were first generation college students. Have our own experiences about trying to figure things out on our own while competing against kids who were 5-6th generation college students. AND competing against wealthy connected white kids .It is what it is. Playing field is absolutely not level, but we do the best we can.

We've taken steps to help prepare the next generation of our families to compete in this world....and from the sound of how passionate you are I think you're schooling/mentoring young Black women who want to get into the profession as well. I think that's one of the values and responsibilities of education...take that book education and experience back to the community. I'm consistent in promoting education..I tell these kids to stop playing, cause these other people out here are NOT PLAYING.

 

[Guizmo]

Here in Montreal at the university, me and my other black friends live the same thing. The teachers even when he talks, you feel that he advantages the whites (especially girls). And don't need to point that everytime the results come, these girls are one step ahead of us. And i swear we study better than them. It's not like we are not serious or we don't study.
I got plenty of examples of these unfair situations.

 

[I Really Mean It]

I have heard about Black students having breakdowns after believing that white people were their friends and getting that inevitable wake up call.

 

[Elle Seven]

Posted on here before about my Dr. friend who told me how his white counterparts were buying copies of the tests and acing them in medical school.

He couldn't figure out why they were getting to practical lab and didn't know shut and always asked him for help. He earned Cs but actually knew his shyt.

They eventually told him what was up and said they didn't tell him because they didn't know if he was trustworthy.

The irony of it is he told me they took pride, not shame, in having bought their As because it indicated they were smart enough to work smart, not hard. Knew they didn't know shyt because they didn't learn the basics and had no basis for practical application to treat others...yet, thought they deserved MD title because they were clever enough to pay for answers to a test.

Mental illness, indeed.

 

[get these nets]

snippet from an old Patrice O'neal interview. he gave a unique perspective about why there was such resistance to busing students in Boston during the 1970s. He says it during the end of the brief clip

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[Field Marshall Bradley]

so they can't raise admissions criteria to produce a better pool of students.

What does that have to do with anything...?

 

[The Fade]

Never believed those negative test score statistics about us. Reading through this thread has me angry. Just like how white people try to force us out of jobs by making it uncomfortable for us on purpose.

Just cant have any peace of mind knowing this shyt brehs. Just got back from the gym and my calm went away

These people have the nerve to talk down to us about merit

 

[get these nets]

What does that have to do with anything...?

In response to my post questioning what interest a nursing program would have in seeing their students fail.....since schools are ranked by % of students who pass licensing exams.


25YOUTHS!! said: ↵
If you don't pass the school exams, you don't get to sit for the standard licensing exams...This is how schools artificially inflate their % pass rate b/c it only counts the students who they LET take the exams in the first place. A school can have a 98% pass rate on the licensing exams but also have a 50% attrition rate

My response was
Which is fine, but it doesn't address my response to the poster who wrote that "nursing schools love to see Black students fail".This is a community college, with an open admission policy, so they can't raise admissions criteria to produce a better pool of students. They accept the people who apply. Again, I don't see how any of their students failing benefits the school. Even if it's an associates degree mill, and just taking students for the fed. student aid money, at some point the word would get out and perhaps lower the number of students in that concentration

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That line you quoted was me pointing out the obvious difference between the admissions policy of a CC versus a school with higher admissions standards. Theoretically, the attrition he mentions would be lower in the nursing program for people with stronger academic records.

 

[Houston911]

snippet from an old Patrice O'neal interview. he gave a unique perspective about why there was such resistance to busing students in Boston during the 1970s. He says it during the end of the brief clip

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