"Who are the Knicks? Brunson, Brunson and some other Knickas" " - Official '23 NYK Offseason Thread

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its protected so another team might not find it attractive if they have to wait multiple years for it to convey. it turns into 2 seconds if it doesnt convey in 24/25
It’s very attractive. Dallas looks like trash but they can’t keep being trash and Luka doesn’t leave. So they will struggle to win games and that pick could be anywhere from 11- 20. A year ago they went to the WCF and people thought Luka was a MVP candidate.
:mjlol:

It’s not going to go out alone but as part of a package it will have value
 

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It’s very attractive. Dallas looks like trash but they can’t keep being trash and Luka doesn’t leave. So they will struggle to win games and that pick could be anywhere from 11- 20. A year ago they went to the WCF and people thought Luka was a MVP candidate.
:mjlol:

It’s not going to go out alone but as part of a package it will have value
my point is they could be trash next year if kyrie leaves and then you know that pick aint conveying next year, so your best bet is 25. they have no assets to get better so if kyrie leaves they could be fukked for a decent amount of tiime and then that pick will turn to shyt. thats why im not as high on it as you, if kyrie stays then this is moot.
 

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my point is they could be trash next year if kyrie leaves and then you know that pick aint conveying next year, so your best bet is 25. they have no assets to get better so if kyrie leaves they could be fukked for a decent amount of tiime and then that pick will turn to shyt. thats why im not as high on it as you, if kyrie stays then this is moot.
I think if Kyrie comes back they could still suck. Just don’t be surprised if Knicks are going to trade that draft pick. It’s valued peaked because the Mavs suck and you can’t say if they will improve or not. It could be top ten, lottery, or maybe even in the 20’s. That is way better than the value of the pick after Brunson took them to the WCF.
 

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its protected so another team might not find it attractive if they have to wait multiple years for it to convey. it turns into 2 seconds if it doesnt convey in 24/25
Yea, by itself. But in a package you can still say “we got X picks for this trade!” Everyone keeps talking about how we have like 8 first round picks to trade in the next 4 seasons even though they break down like this:
 

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Yea, by itself. But in a package you can still say “we got X picks for this trade!” Everyone keeps talking about how we have like 8 first round picks to trade in the next 4 seasons even though they break down like this:

Yep, plus the Knicks are a young competitive team. Remember how hard it was for the kids to get time over old vets. A kid would have to be elite to knock any starter for minutes and the bench ain’t easy either. Heck Mcbride and Simms barely play and they look ready…. The Knicks need to get some young guys on good deals who have shown they are NBA players.
 

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Im done with Julius and Thibs. I know Thibs aint getting fired or it would have happened already. I keep hearing how Julius value is down. Bullshyt! This mofo 3rd team All NBA and an All-star. Somebody will take that shyt. I keep hearing we won't get equal value, 25 and 10 don't grow on trees. To that I say ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION. We don't need equal value when team cohesion and morale instantly improve once he's gone. AND! Julius has proven we will NOT get 25 and 10 when it matters! So are we losing 25 and 10? In the reg season yeah! In the playoffs we losing about 15 and 7 on 35% shooting! Real dogs elevate their game in the playoffs. Randle is incapable of a run like Brunson just had. He don't have the temperament, shot making ability, or the will to win. He'll sulk. He'll bytch. But he won't get mad enough to put the team on his back and say follow me.

I'll take KAT in a heartbeat over dude. IMO he does everything better than Julius. IDGAF about his defense. Randle aint locking nobody down either. We gotta make a move. Get this guy outta here or move him further down the totem pole. It's gotta happen. KMart criticism of him was the dumbest shyt I ever heard btw. Aint they both from Dallas? Might be some shyt K always wanted to get off his chest.

If you won't fire Thibodeau, hire him an OC. Read and react aint it for the Knicks IQ. Passing to mufukkas not looking? Jumping in the air with no plan? Don't you know where your options are? Or where they're supposed to be? Oh they not there?? Run something else Thibs!! I felt like I was watching elementary school rec ball with some of these TO's.
 

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Reading the comments on the Knicks Fan TV Embiid trade rumors video....
This is why I can't stand Knicks fans. They never want to trade for anything. You're trying to get an MVP and think you can get him for a bag of chips. :mjlol:
You get a player of that caliber it will likely cost you 2 starters :manny:
More is going to want more than that...
 

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Thibs is not a good coach.

There's literally not one game this season you can point to as proof that he's an elite coach.

I believe all the success is the byproduct of a great and disciplined front office. Our success is not because of Thibs.
This is pretty delusional.

The league is pretty straightforward you can look on paper and tell what range a team is supposed to fall in. If they go over that, you gotta give credit to the coach. If they go under, blame the coach.

The Knicks on paper were not supposed to be this good. Look at these preseason projections they ended up being pretty damn accurate:


The Knicks actually ended up being the biggest surprise on the season, even more than the thunder. These odds only really missed on 3 teams: Thunder (+17), Kings (+14), and Knicks (+19). The Knicks were projected to win 28 games this season.

Of course you need to credit Thibs :mjtf:
 

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Im done with Julius and Thibs. I know Thibs aint getting fired or it would have happened already. I keep hearing how Julius value is down. Bullshyt! This mofo 3rd team All NBA and an All-star. Somebody will take that shyt. I keep hearing we won't get equal value, 25 and 10 don't grow on trees. To that I say ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION. We don't need equal value when team cohesion and morale instantly improve once he's gone. AND! Julius has proven we will NOT get 25 and 10 when it matters! So are we losing 25 and 10? In the reg season yeah! In the playoffs we losing about 15 and 7 on 35% shooting! Real dogs elevate their game in the playoffs. Randle is incapable of a run like Brunson just had. He don't have the temperament, shot making ability, or the will to win. He'll sulk. He'll bytch. But he won't get mad enough to put the team on his back and say follow me.

I'll take KAT in a heartbeat over dude. IMO he does everything better than Julius. IDGAF about his defense. Randle aint locking nobody down either. We gotta make a move. Get this guy outta here or move him further down the totem pole. It's gotta happen. KMart criticism of him was the dumbest shyt I ever heard btw. Aint they both from Dallas? Might be some shyt K always wanted to get off his chest.

If you won't fire Thibodeau, hire him an OC. Read and react aint it for the Knicks IQ. Passing to mufukkas not looking? Jumping in the air with no plan? Don't you know where your options are? Or where they're supposed to be? Oh they not there?? Run something else Thibs!! I felt like I was watching elementary school rec ball with some of these TO's.
I hate Julius like the rest of us but is there evidence of Julius actually hurting morale? None of the players have complained. Not even leaks of people tired of his shyt. And you know Mitch woulda tweeted or liked some shyt. I think that’s why he probably won’t be gone. He’s a mental midget with a toxic relationship with the fanbase but his teammates seem to like him.
 
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