Who Dissed First?? 2Pac Or Mobb Deep?

[the rhyme king]

See this is what happens when east coast nikkas get to throwing rocks and hiding they hands, nikkas trying to play the victim, especially after the fact when it's safe.

He got @ de la because

i don't know about the ego trip shyt

but i do know the reason why he did get at them was because in 1996 when they were coming out with they album the stakes is high and they were talking about " cleaning hip hop " and all that other bullshyt and one of the key figures and popular figures at the time was pac in 1996

he was over 5 times platinum with all eyez on me
and they was mad that they was not selling so they start taking shots at everybody who was hot and selling records

and pac basically said they were masquerading and using that as a come back to come back in the game and get hot in other words he basically said they was using the hottest rappers him included to sell records.

i got the interview where he said that was the reason why he was dissing de la soul.

 

[Big Mel]

I never even made that LL I shot ya correlation. I kinda hated that song. I hated the whole mr smith album.


You guys watch tons of 2pac interviews huh? I haven't payed attention to these old 90s quarrels since like the 90s. I did lie PAC threatening to cut lauryns face.

 

[hex]

The De La Soul shyt wasn't a Pac diss. They went at BIG and Wu on "Stakes Is High" and it was obvious. It couldn't even be misinterpreted. So the odds of them randomly having a Pac clone in "Ego Trippin" then acting when asked about it is slim to none.

Fred.

 

[SunZoo]

i don't know about the ego trip shyt

but i do know the reason why he did get at them was because in 1996 when they were coming out with they album the stakes is high and they were talking about " cleaning hip hop " and all that other bullshyt and one of the key figures and popular figures at the time was pac in 1996

he was over 5 times platinum with all eyez on me
and they was mad that they was not selling so they start taking shots at everybody who was hot and selling records

and pac basically said they were masquerading and using that as a come back to come back in the game and get hot in other words he basically said they was using the hottest rappers him included to sell records.

i got the interview where he said that was the reason why he was dissing de la soul.

Basically, we had did “Ego Tripping” the video [in 1993]. Pac had reached out to us because he thought we were dissing him because he thought that the video kind of mirrored “I Get Around”. He thought we were showing him in the mansion but then we were saying it wasn’t his mansion. Pac reached out like “yo, I love y’all. I love y’all so why are ya’ll dissing me?”. And I reached back to him like “dawg, we’re definitely not dissing you. We’re being clowns making fun of how certain people take the **** a little too serious” and he was like “aight, cool” [when] he reached back. But then I guess around the time when we put Stakes Is High out, and then all that nonsense happened between me and Treach [from Naughty By Nature] and all that other ****, Pac and Treach were [tight]. And the only reason I know the background behind this is because, maybe two years ago, I ran into Pac’s sister and she let us know that “yo, he loved y’all. He was just hurt when he thought maybe y’all dissed him”. And then how, with Stakes Is High, we came out doing what we was doing, he felt like, with his boys, like “yo, this is what I need to say”. But [Pac’s sister] was like “I want y’all to know, he loved y’all”. And I feel that. I feel like a lot of times [for example] when [MC] Shan and KRS-One beef, I don’t think people really hate each other. That’s definitely how it was for us. We loved Pac. We’ve loved so many groups. We’ve never tried to be a part of anything negative.

From what we hear and what we know, even after having the opportunity to speak to one of Tupac’s sisters — Pac thought we were dissing him in the “Ego Trippin’” video. He thought the guy that was in the hot tub and bald headed, he thought we were spoofing him. We had love for Pac, man. That’s family. For us in the Hip-Hop world, he was one of the realest dudes out there. He wasn’t afraid of bearing his soul. Pac was so fearless it was inspirational. You know, it was something that he misconstrued, it was something that he thought, and it was all wrong. We never got a chance to vocalize it between each other but, even through his family, his blood, we’ve heard that Pac loved De La. He just felt like we dissed him. And if you love somebody that much and you think they diss you, I understand how you might take it personally. But we’ve got love for Pac. That’s straight love.

That's what they say/how they feel about it now...but if they weren't spoofing pac who were the spoofing?

 

[hex]

That's what they say/how they feel about it now...but if they weren't spoofing pac who were the spoofing?

Who wasn't they spoofing breh? Rappers still rent shyt.

Fred.

 

[Big Mel]

I swear I never thought they were spoofing Pac. This is like, news to me. Maybe I was naive back then. Or maybe my memory is shot.

 

[Big Mel]

Just watched the ego tripping video and that dude doesn't at all make me think 2pac. No wonder me being the smart, rational kid that I was never made that leap.


Seriously, watch the video right now and tell me three men in a hot tub with Caesars means the I get around video.

 

[hex]

Fred.

 

[the rhyme king]

That's what they say/how they feel about it now...but if they weren't spoofing pac who were the spoofing?

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5:52 and beyond is where he talks about the reason he dissed de la soul.

these are pac words not mine

 

[Big Mel]

And De La were ALWAYS the snarky, brainy, tongue in cheek critics of the absurdities taking place in rap. Imagine Schooly D or Just Ice catching feelings over the Me, Myself & I video.

I'm starting to really see how narcissistic Pac was. Like, bruh, it ain't ALWAYS you, family. Calm down.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

that shyt is CLEARLY supposed to be pac,watch i get around then that back to back,clear as day.

 

[mobbinfms]

im not discrediting them,i stated facts.

that other bum ass mobb stan saying they are legendary and pac is only legendary cuz he died thats discredting.

2pac was a bigger artist and sold more,thats a fact thats not discrediting.

if i say drake sold more then kendrick,am i discredting kendrick?

everything i said is fact based,what he said is stan delusion. understand the difference?

You can discredit someone with facts. It depends on how you utilize the facts in formulating your argument.

Sales would definitely be a way to discredit Kendrick in comparing him to Drake. It's like Mel said in some other thread - DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince outsold Eric B and Rakim.

If the tenor of what your saying is Mobb Deep isn't shyt because they didn't sell as much as Pac - then you are discrediting them utilizing a fact.

In any event - my original comment was made as a result of the apparent lack of self awareness inherent in your post. It's not a diss, I just doubt you read over what you posted.

 

[SunZoo]

Who wasn't they spoofing breh? Rappers still rent shyt.

Fred.

Right...that was the whole point of the song, but then doesn't that confirm pac's suspicions? I mean if they were doing a spoof video, they gonna go with popular examples are they not?

The bald head nikka, shirtless, bubble bath, cell phones, the broads.

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fred...

Bubble baths my nikka? How many rappers you know that loved bubble baths more than pac?

To me it ain't a question if pac was one of the targets of the vid. It's more so a question were they trying to be blatantly disrespectful. I don't think they were, but that doesn't mean i wouldn't look at nikka sideways for parodying my music unless they were on some weird al shyt.

Would you also agree that the average die hard de la fan probably weren't that keen on 2pac or a lot of acts that were getting mainstream looks for whatever reason? Maybe i'm not wording that right but i think you know what i'm getting at...these nikkas were talking to their portion of the hip hop scene, invalidating whatever nikkas were "hotter" than them at the time, or at least that's how it could have been perceived.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

You can discredit someone with facts. It depends on how you utilize the facts in formulating your argument.

Sales would definitely be a way to discredit Kendrick in comparing him to Drake. It's like Mel said in some other thread - DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince outsold Eric B and Rakim.

If the tenor of what your saying is Mobb Deep isn't shyt because they didn't sell as much as Pac - then you are discrediting them utilizing a fact.

In any event - my original comment was made as a result of the apparent lack of self awareness inherent in your post. It's not a diss, I just doubt you read over what you posted.

where did i say they werent shyt? i clearly said i loved them and infamous is top ten.

but face facts,they dont hold the weight pac does. his legacy over shadows their. im not trying to say they arent shyt and i never did. youre grasping at straws and making assumptions based on nothing.i was merely correcting someone making a false statement. nothing more.

 

[hex]

Right...that was the whole point of the song, but then doesn't that confirm pac's suspicions? I mean if they were doing a spoof video, they gonna go with popular examples are they not?

The bald head nikka, shirtless, bubble bath, cell phones, the broads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJAnQTwmJs

fred...

To me it ain't a question if pac was one of the targets of the vid. It's more so a question were they trying to be blatantly disrespectful. I don't think they were, but that doesn't mean i wouldn't look at nikka sideways for parodying my music unless they were on some weird al shyt.

Would you also agree that the average die hard de la fan probably weren't that keen on 2pac or a lot of acts that were getting mainstream looks for whatever reason? Maybe i'm not wording that right but i think you know what i'm getting at...these nikkas were talking to their portion of the hip hop scene, invalidating whatever nikkas were "hotter" than them at the time, or at least that's how it could have been perceived.

Breh I been a De La fan since "3 Feet High and Rising". And I been a Pac fan since "Same Song".

I have never in my life heard anyone think that was going at Pac. Besides Pac obviously. And even that was because #1 he shouted them out on "Old School", and #2 they went at people a lot more blatantly than that, and never denied it.

I'm sick of bytches shakin' asses
I'm sick of talkin' about blunts
Sick of Versace glasses
Sick of slang
Sick of half-ass awards shows
Sick of name brand clothes
Sick of R&B bytches over bullshyt tracks
Cocaine and crack
Which brings sickness to blacks
Sick of swoll' head rappers
With their sickenin' raps
Clappers of gats
Makin' the whole sick world collapse
The facts are gettin' sick
Even sicker perhaps
Stickabush to make a bundle to escape this synapse

That's "Stakes Is High". They went at the entire industry on the title track of the album. So they was never really into throwing stones and hiding their hands. They went at BIG on "Long Island Degrees". They went at Wu-Tang on "itzsoweezee". And that verse I just quoted got Hip-Hop Quotable in The Source that month, yet when "Ego Trippin'" dropped nobody thought it was about Pac.

Fred.