Who Dissed First?? 2Pac Or Mobb Deep?

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Rest in Peace
Rule in Power

 

[Wacky D]

idk but im glad pac dissed de la..fukk them and all the otha snobbish,sneak dissin rappers like ATCQ,the roots, and every otha barely recognizable,dusty backpack rapper..

shyt kinda remind me of when tribe dissed that new jack swing shyt and got socked up for it..nerd rappers always speakin on some shyt that ain't they business..notice how nobody thinks about spoofin them dudes cause they too borin,bland and the majority of people wouldn't even care anyway

I don't understand the LL issue either other than the Cali reference on I Shot Ya but I think Pac was reaching on that end. I mean Pac was on some real paranoid, wilding out shyt during that time. Sorta of like Nas when he went in that 2002 rampage.

Remember when he even called out Ice Cube? He was wrong on that end because Cube was representing the West hardbody while Pac was locked up with songs such as West Up! and Westside Slaughterhouse.

Another thing is why did that nikka diss DA BRAT?

nah, nas in 2002 was dissin people for no reason at all. it wasn't even paranoia. he was just randomly dissin people out of nowhere. and to make things worst, he didn't even stand by it like a man. I lost all respect for dude after that.

pac dissed ice cube cuz cube was adding fuel to the fire and pac was getting all the blame despite the fact that pac wasn't even on that east vs west chit. and these were serious times. plus, pac felt that cube was going hard with the east/west stuff just so that he could stay relevant.

I think da brat spoke on some chit that she shouldn't have been speaking on.

 

[Wacky D]

off-topic, but I just saw xzibit's paparazzi video for the 1st time in years.

yall remember when Edi dissed him on "bomb 1st"?

its kamikaze, sicker than a muhf*kkin Nazi
got a lil question for the nicca that made paparazzi

 

[Big Mel]

If you ain't in the rap game, fo the motherfukkin cash main....


Xzibit was always corny.

 

[Wacky D]

So basically, y'all are proving what some of us have said...

Pac was mad sensitive in '95-'96.

Sorry, it just is what it is. He thought everybody was dissin' him for anything that could remotely be taken as a slight, whether it was aimed at him or not. If these are the real things that had him dissin', or just things his fans have taken and run with, these are some pretty lame excuses. In that time, rappers talked shyt all the time, and most of the lines were general like a muhfukka. If one nikka jumps out there on some "nah he talkin' bout ME!", what else do u call that but sensitive?

The De La shyt could've been a number of people, because "I Get Around" was far from a one-of-a-kind video in that time. The pool party scene was a video cliche of that era, just like the big party in a mansion, and the jail scene and the project building scene and the smooth club scene... nikkas were even makin' videos in the woods From popular rappers to unknowns, lots and lots of videos had similar backdrops. If someone parodies that and then ONE nikka or group takes offense, shyt's just comical to think the parody was INTENTIONALLY meant for them.

it looks too much like they parodied 2pac & treach in the video.

there are ways that you can make songs/videos like this & get your point across while still keeping it vague.

take the roots for example. they touched on all the video clichés without going at anybody in particular. classic video & song:

SMH. Vevo took the subtitles out and they prolly did it on purpose. we gonna rock anyway tho:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qzacv8dtb4[/ame]

 

[Big Mel]

De La were snarky....looking at it objectively and framing it in a 90's lens...they deserved it.


i had beef for less back then.

 

[DANJ!]

it looks too much like they parodied 2pac & treach in the video.

there are ways that you can make songs/videos like this & get your point across while still keeping it vague.

take the roots for example. they touched on all the video clichés without going at anybody in particular. classic video & song:

SMH. Vevo took the subtitles out and they prolly did it on purpose. we gonna rock anyway tho:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qzacv8dtb4

Yeah, cause this video is clearly a direct shot...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsk9c1xoaMU[/ame]



And who in that video looks like Treach? Unless De La were psychic and knew Treach would cut his braids a year and a half later, I don't see A nikka in the vid that looks like him.

Honestly, I don't even believe this is what Pac had a beef with in '96. Cause it wouldn't make sense to take offense to this in '93, then shout them out on a song in '95, only to get upset about a three-year-old video in '96. I'm pretty sure this is the explanation people have run with as their own reason.

I think Pac's issue with De La was their conflict with Treach over the misinterpreted line in their song from the '96 album (which was later resolved).

And even more so, I just think it was Pac's '95-'96 sensitive nature.

 

[mobbinfms]

it looks too much like they parodied 2pac & treach in the video.

there are ways that you can make songs/videos like this & get your point across while still keeping it vague.

take the roots for example. they touched on all the video clichés without going at anybody in particular. classic video & song:

SMH. Vevo took the subtitles out and they prolly did it on purpose. we gonna rock anyway tho:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qzacv8dtb4

I always thought that was a direct shot at big. The part where he's sitting on the edge of the bed, wasn't that supposed to be a send up of the one more chance video?

 

[King Karim]

The story goes Pac heard "thug life we still living it" on "Survival of the Fittest" and felt some kinda way about it. To this day Mobb Deep maintains that that had nothing to do with Pac or Thug Life. They were just saying "we're living a thug life".

Pac, in his "fukk the world" mode, dissed them on "Hit 'Em Up". Mobb Deep responded in interviews prior to Pac dying, then on "Drop A Gem On 'Em".

A while later Mobb Deep ran into The Outlawz and it was squashed. Some versions of the story say they punked Mobb Deep, but The Outlawz as far as I know have never claimed that. They said it was a mutually respectful discussion.

Fred.

when Pac was in jail...the Outlawz did run up on Mobb Depp at a show...there was police and security out there tho...this happened in Atlanta where Pac has a lot of blood and street family

 

[King Karim]

Lol at Ronzo driving traffic to the makaveli site.


So P being on LL's song that was similarly titles to Biggies was somehow him sneak dissing 2pac. Okay. Because that's logical.


This is the order:

"Thug life we still livin it"

"Ny ny"

"La la"

"Hit Em up"

"Drop a gem on Em"


So...did Mobb Deep start it? They didn't even rock with Biggie. They stood up for New York against the Dogg Pound. Pac just sensationalized shyt drunk.

y'all both forgetting this...this was a song aimed at Pac...


http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/05/27/atts-new-wireless-administrative-fee-could-be-a-cash-cow/

 

[Wacky D]

De La were snarky....looking at it objectively and framing it in a 90's lens...they deserved it.


i had beef for less back then.

Yeah, cause this video is clearly a direct shot...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsk9c1xoaMU



And who in that video looks like Treach? Unless De La were psychic and knew Treach would cut his braids a year and a half later, I don't see A nikka in the vid that looks like him.

Honestly, I don't even believe this is what Pac had a beef with in '96. Cause it wouldn't make sense to take offense to this in '93, then shout them out on a song in '95, only to get upset about a three-year-old video in '96. I'm pretty sure this is the explanation people have run with as their own reason.

I think Pac's issue with De La was their conflict with Treach over the misinterpreted line in their song from the '96 album (which was later resolved).

And even more so, I just think it was Pac's '95-'96 sensitive nature.

it looks as if its too much of a parody of "i get around", "written on ya kitten" and treach mannnerisms.

its not about a sensitive nature. its about de la soul putting their heads on a swivel. even if they actually didn't mock them(which i doubt), you shouldn't leave things like this up for interpretation, especially when dealing wit dudes off the streets. especially hotheads. like @Big Mel said, ive beefed over less and de la got what they deserved.

as for the underlined part(since everything is already bolded. lol), i was always under the impression that the pac/de la beef stemmed from something they said on that "stakes is high" album as well. but i don't see any of this stopping pac from shouting them out on "old school" tho.

I always thought that was a direct shot at big. The part where he's sitting on the edge of the bed, wasn't that supposed to be a send up of the one more chance video?

i always thought so too.

but they didn't make it extra-obvious, imo.

sidenote: im trying to remember if biggie was still alive when this video came out. i know he definitely was still alive when they filmed it.

 

[King Karim]

and for everybody saying drop a gem on em was released when PAC was alive you GTFOH!!! It leaked to mixtapes in NY about a month before Pac died, and they later kept it for an album..

and music moved NOWHERE NEAR as fast in 96 as it does in 2013, so it's very possible Pac had not had a chance to hear it or give it a proper response before he was shot

 

[DANJ!]

Aight man, what I'm sayin' is this:

"Ego Trippin" is really no different than the "What They Do" video... in fact, even more people could've taken offense to the "What They Do" vid, cause they did damn near every cliche there was in '96. Whereas De La's video just scraped the surface of one style of video in '93. And again, if you think "I Get Around" and "Written on ya Kitten" were the only videos of that kind, then you missed a lot.

And yeah, BIG was alive when "What They Do" came out. It dropped in Dec. '96. He actually spoke on it in the Source around that time (the article that came out the same month he died). Not a direct quote but this is basically what he said "I had love for nikkas who dissed me. I never dissed Jeru or The Roots. I was lovin' that Roots 'Silent Treatment' shyt, I put a lotta nikkas on to that..."

I don't deny that nikkas were doin' subliminal shyt back then, but I also can't deny some nikkas were just catchin' feelings about things that could've been about anyone.

 

[King Karim]

Aight man, what I'm sayin' is this:

"Ego Trippin" is really no different than the "What They Do" video... in fact, even more people could've taken offense to the "What They Do" vid, cause they did damn near every cliche there was in '96. Whereas De La's video just scraped the surface of one style of video in '93. And again, if you think "I Get Around" and "Written on ya Kitten" were the only videos of that kind, then you missed a lot.

And yeah, BIG was alive when "What They Do" came out. It dropped in Dec. '96. He actually spoke on it in the Source around that time (the article that came out the same month he died). Not a direct quote but this is basically what he said "I had love for nikkas who dissed me. I never dissed Jeru or The Roots. I was lovin' that Roots 'Silent Treatment' shyt, I put a lotta nikkas on to that..."

I don't deny that nikkas were doin' subliminal shyt back then, but I also can't deny some nikkas were just catchin' feelings about things that could've been about anyone.

big didn't waste anytime dissing them back on LAD tho

 

[DANJ!]

and for everybody saying drop a gem on em was released when PAC was alive you GTFOH!!! It leaked to mixtapes in NY about a month before Pac died, and they later kept it for an album..

and music moved NOWHERE NEAR as fast in 96 as it does in 2013, so it's very possible Pac had not had a chance to hear it or give it a proper response before he was shot

It was.

It was the lead single for the album. It dropped in late-August '96. There was an actual release in stores of the single. It literally came out right before Pac got shot.

Of course for obvious reasons, Loud ended up pulling it back as the lead single. Which then lead to "Hell On Earth" later becoming the "new" lead single and the album being pushed back three weeks.

Now did Pac actually hear it? Only he knows for sure. But it was out there.