who do yoi think is the better lyricist, Jay Z or Lil Waynr

[Fresh]

I mean I posted examples and let you and everyone else decide and I felt I was fair I didn’t even quote from classic Jay verses and quoted from arguably a top 10 Wayne lyrical song but feel free to make your case if you believe your opinion has validity to it.

it's all good breh.

 

[maxamusa]

U fukking idiot. Where did I shyt on Wayne?

U just said aint no way in hell Wayne is close 2 Jay....if I was savy enough 2 quote it properly I would I would have

 

[JustCKing]

Wayne did what he did just off pure music. No famous wife. No Samsung deals forcing music on our phones. No gimmicks like Hov

Tune just did mixtapes and albums and features

Vol. 2 sold 5 million copies pure sales before the world knew who Beyonce was and Samsung deals were a thing.

Wayne's never sold that pure sales. You add streams to that, yes. Jay did it without a #1 hit and no autotune.

 

[maxamusa]

Vol. 2 sold 5 million copies pure sales before the world knew who Beyonce was and Samsung deals were a thing.

Wayne's never sold that pure sales. You add streams to that, yes. Jay did it without a #1 hit and no autotune.

That was when hip-hop was the most commercial its ever been.


That part matters.

 

[Sad Bunny]

Vol. 2 sold 5 million copies pure sales before the world knew who Beyonce was and Samsung deals were a thing.

Wayne's never sold that pure sales. You add streams to that, yes. Jay did it without a #1 hit and no autotune.

Carter 3 sold that pure sales during a time when records weren’t selling

Carter 4 did too

 

[JustCKing]

That was when hip-hop was the most commercial its ever been.


That part matters.

Breh, Wayne had an album out the following year. Juvenile moved nearly 4 million units. Wayne was featured on the biggestvsongle off that album. Breh wasn't seeing multi-platinum until 9-10 years later.

 

[Sad Bunny]

I agree

but No way in hell is Wayne close to Jay

im sorry Wayne just rambles on 85% of his records. He can’t stay on subject. He just rhyme words a lot. I just think it takes way more skill to rap on topic while being genuin and entertaining. The cap in jay raps is like 3%

Carter 5 was pretty introspective IMO.

C4 wasn’t and that’s why I hated those of that album. He didn’t really rap about shyt.

Carter 3 had a concept and a theme to every song too.

Wayne definitely needs more focus. I agree with that.

 

[JustCKing]

Carter 3 sold that pure sales during a time when records weren’t selling

Carter 4 did too

You're lying. C3 was stuck at 3.5 million until streaming. That is a fact. The biggest myth about that era is that albums weren't selling.

 

[Sad Bunny]

Breh, Wayne had an album out the following year. Juvenile moved nearly 4 million units. Wayne was featured on the biggestvsongle off that album. Breh wasn't seeing multi-platinum until 9-10 years later.

Carter 2 went multiplatinum in 2005 though.

 

[maxamusa]

Breh, Wayne had an album out the following year. Juvenile moved nearly 4 million units. Wayne was featured on the biggestvsongle off that album. Breh wasn't seeing multi-platinum until 9-10 years later.

Breh u talking to the wrong crowd. I bought Wayne's tapes from barbershops.

They count that on billboard

 

[Sad Bunny]

You're lying. C3 was stuck at 3.5 million until streaming. That is a fact. The biggest myth about that era is that albums weren't selling.

That’s a lie. Cash Money never updated his RIAA certifications. It sold 3.5 million in its first year alone and streaming didn’t exist until 2016

So you’re saying it sold 5 million just from streams?

You really think it didn’t sell anything from 2008 to 2016?

I always forget how dumb The Booth is

 

[maxamusa]

That’s a lie. Cash Money never updated his RIAA certifications. It sold 3.5 million in its first year alone and streaming didn’t exist until 2016

So you’re saying it sold 5 million just from streams?

You really think it didn’t sell anything from 2008 to 2016?

I always forget how dumb The Booth is

MC hammer went diamond; he's in the GOAT convo

 

[Sad Bunny]

You're lying. C3 was stuck at 3.5 million until streaming. That is a fact.

fukk this is gold. Y’all really aren’t smart

 

[Lurkio]

U just said aint no way in hell Wayne is close 2 Jay....if I was savy enough 2 quote it properly I would I would have

He isn’t…and peak Wayne was great and he had all time run…but lyrically he’s not in the same league…if u arguing flow then it’s closer

 

[maxamusa]

fukk this is gold. Y’all really aren’t smart

Jay-Z's whole M.O. is being relevant. Wayne literally breathed life into his dying career. He "retired" then dropped nothing but duds. He's lucky Wayne is a student of the game n gave him a second chance 2 keep it real.