This show always makes me sad. You remember the good times and you can just see how happy everyone looks in them old videos. Just hearing Chuckii talk about them and how those songs were blowing up, you could see how happy he was. Even with Joyce Irby(didn't know she and Levert were writing for them), I think everyone thought Troop would be stars for a long time. I knew when they were showing that All I do is think of you video that it was about to crash. Its always the same damn story with contracts. This is why music is what it is today. Its like there was a period where cats were just not savvy about contracts and were too much into their music and the labels took advantage to get a lot of good music out of non-business savvy types. Now it takes much more business savvy to the point that I wonder if the real musicians can't get that money now that the contract is knowledge is more available. Its sad. I think Troop had plenty to move on into that next era that was more R&B heavy if things had gone better.
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East 1999 my nikka!
darn good episode. i knew troop was big but i didnt know their run was THAT strong. i learned alot.
this is what unsung is all about.
and im glad to see that there were no tragedies. i always assumed that there were a couple drug addicts in the group because they were some funny-lookin dudes to me when i was a pup. but i appreciate their look in hindsight. they had the most complicated compilation of haircuts by far. i wanted them to speak on that, but obviously, there was no room for side chit. i expected them to dwell on their cameo in "new jack city" as well. didnt happen.
and it kind of became un-intentional comedy halfway thru. Allen is grouchy is as f*ck.
but with that said, the grouchiest cats are usually the realest. i dont know if thats the case here but Steve seems like hes kinda full of chit.
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this is what unsung is all about.and im glad to see that there were no tragedies. i always assumed that there were a couple drug addicts in the group because they were some funny-lookin dudes to me when i was a pup. but i appreciate their look in hindsight. they had the most complicated compilation of haircuts by far. i wanted them to speak on that, but obviously, there was no room for side chit. i expected them to dwell on their cameo in "new jack city" as well. didnt happen.
and it kind of became un-intentional comedy halfway thru. Allen is grouchy is as f*ck.
but with that said, the grouchiest cats are usually the realest. i dont know if thats the case here but Steve seems like hes kinda full of chit.Riff
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what did sylvia rhone have against hammer's brother?
im starting to get the feeling that hammer & his brother were doing too much in the industry's eyes or something. cuz the media didnt waste time kicking hammer while he was down and they still throw shade to this day.
whats his bro's name again? i dont want to keep referring to him as hammer's brother. call em burrell for now.
im starting to get the feeling that hammer & his brother were doing too much in the industry's eyes or something. cuz the media didnt waste time kicking hammer while he was down and they still throw shade to this day.
whats his bro's name again? i dont want to keep referring to him as hammer's brother. call em burrell for now.
i dont know breh. i think their time was up. they even low-key admitted that they were being phased out by what groups like h-town & jodeci were doing. then they mentioned how boyz II men blew up off their blueprint.
only way i see them surviving is if they dove deep in the sapphead sub-genre, but hell, boyz II men did that on the 2nd album. so troop wouldve been screwed regardless.
thats how i see it at least. what yall think?
daboywonder2002
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i dont know breh. i think their time was up. they even low-key admitted that they were being phased out by what groups like h-town & jodeci were doing. then they mentioned how boyz II men blew up off their blueprint.
only way i see them surviving is if they dove deep in the sapphead sub-genre, but hell, boyz II men did that on the 2nd album. so troop wouldve been screwed regardless.
thats how i see it at least. what yall think?
why would they even mention boyz 2 men. i dont hear troop at all when i listen to boys 2 men. no similarities whatsoever
he mentioned dallas austin. i guess hes talking about the new jack joints.
or their overall presentation maybe?? troop seems to be the 1st group that really-really took it there with the vocals matched with exhaust dancing. and thats what B2M came out doing at first.
but yea, i dont see it either. cuz B2M was more like doo-wop meets new jack swing to me when they debuted.
I think Louis Burrell was onto something, which is what the industry had against him. He was a money savvy street dude like you see in the industry today. You always hear about money situations at that time, but not with Hammer. This was their fear.
And yeah, I remember being a fan of Troop, but didn't realize they had that strong run. Like everything they were puttin out for 5 years was a hit. What I didn't know was what a strong team they had behind these dudes. No way those dudes weren't tryin to put them up on the money game. I wouldn't be surprised if their production team wasn't in their ear before Louis got to them or even sought out Louis for them knowing he would peep that real game to them.
Sounded to me like Rodney B and them dudes were satisfied with their deal because they weren't writing. Allen and Steve were writing and Steve even getting on the production side and they were getting left out of a lot of money. I've seen other interviews with them both stating as such. They essentially walked away from a hit making machine. So I think Steve comes off like that because he was the most outspoken. Hard to see all of these groups go out like that. Dudes just coming from nothing wanting to make it big and getting taken to the cleaners, then dropped by the label when they realize they got taken to the cleaners on their initial contract.
And yeah, I remember being a fan of Troop, but didn't realize they had that strong run. Like everything they were puttin out for 5 years was a hit. What I didn't know was what a strong team they had behind these dudes. No way those dudes weren't tryin to put them up on the money game. I wouldn't be surprised if their production team wasn't in their ear before Louis got to them or even sought out Louis for them knowing he would peep that real game to them.
Sounded to me like Rodney B and them dudes were satisfied with their deal because they weren't writing. Allen and Steve were writing and Steve even getting on the production side and they were getting left out of a lot of money. I've seen other interviews with them both stating as such. They essentially walked away from a hit making machine. So I think Steve comes off like that because he was the most outspoken. Hard to see all of these groups go out like that. Dudes just coming from nothing wanting to make it big and getting taken to the cleaners, then dropped by the label when they realize they got taken to the cleaners on their initial contract.
I think Troop would have been fine if they continued with their production team. They had plenty of vocals to compete in that next era as evidence by their ballads doing so well. Just hard to come back after two years off and don't have that top production team anymore. Hard to succeed in those days without major label backing
daboywonder2002
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thats what i dont get. every group was eating good in the 90s. b2m, jodeci, dru hill, shai, silk, joe public, portrait, lo key, etc. they had options.
Nah, I don't think Troop was done or that their time was up. They just would've had to do what every artist has to do at a point which is move with the times. They didn't have to go Jodeci-style all the way with it. A good song will break thru anything, no matter who's the new hot shyt at the time. The quality of the music, the dwindling of the group, and the fact that they went to a bullshyt label is what did them in.
And I believe at the time, Louis Burrell was getting money with Hammer, but it was really all they were doin'. They had about 20 artists on Bust It Records and about 2 of 'em were even remotely successful, and by 'successful' I mean had a hit or two and fizzled the fukk out. Troop was already three years in and successful on their own, so they really didn't need to associate with that situation.
And I believe at the time, Louis Burrell was getting money with Hammer, but it was really all they were doin'. They had about 20 artists on Bust It Records and about 2 of 'em were even remotely successful, and by 'successful' I mean had a hit or two and fizzled the fukk out. Troop was already three years in and successful on their own, so they really didn't need to associate with that situation.
ehh, most of those artists were designed to just drop a few hits and keep it movin tho.
when troop dropped that album, D.R.S. was out. i dont think they were signed to that label but they were apart of hammer's management,
Co-Sign on the bolded.
Heavy D didn't need to be managed by Bust It, either.
Nor did Ralph Tresvant
Nor did Doug E. Fresh.
Nor even N2DEEP.
Those acts had various degrees of success at one point. Why should they go to a management team that has a poor track record with artists not named Hammer?
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gotta agree on this. I mean he was makin' a point until he got to Joe Public and Lo-Key and nikkas like that. Yeah they ate off their one or two notable records, but you can't put Joe Public in the same example with Jodeci. Whole different meals bein' eaten, LOL