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If it wasn't for Kerr's 3...

If it wasnt for Derek Fisher's clutch plays...

If it wasn't for Danny Green gettin insanely hot from da arc..

If it wasnt for Bron's buckets prior to dat Allen 3, dat shyt wouldn't have mattered.

Its called a team sport you fukkin dumbass. :dead:

you forgot about all the timely paxson shots and pippen d too...

you make a great point about how this being a team sport gets lost in these debates....it takes 9-10 focused cats to win a title....not just the star....people need a hero or a villain breh....its how it is....probably how its always been...

yea its always been this way...people act like bill russell won all those championships by himself too :yeshrug:
 

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Kobe averaged 31, 7 and 6 in the 2001 playoffs, while being the man in the clutch. He was the guy for them down the stretch of every series. So he was the best player, effectively. There are no "option" rings to me. Just rings.

Uh, it was actually 29, 7, and 6, for those of us who deal with facts. His true shot % was 55%, which was 4-5% lower than Lebron's playoff TS% in those years when he supposedly "fell off the cliff".

Shaq, meanwhile, averaged 30, 15, and 3 plus 2.4 blocks/game while shooting a better TS% than Kobe.

There were 2 close games in the Finals that year. In Game 1, Kobe was 3-8 in the 4th quarter and overtime combined and blew the chance to win with 19 seconds left in regulation, while Shaq was 3-6 in the 4th and overtime and made the final Lakers shot in regulation with 1:57 left. In Game 3, Kobe was 1-4 with 2 turnovers in the 4th, and it was Robert Horry who scored the final 7 points of the game. Shaq, meanwhile, was 3-6 in the 4th and made more shots in the last 5 minutes than Kobe did.

Shaq was the MVP and the Finals MVP that year. Kobe was 9th in MVP voting, didn't get a vote in Finals MVP voting, and didn't make 1st-team All-NBA. This is not an argument for anyone in the world other than Kobe Stans.
 

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So from impact and effectiveness impact, Lebron is better than Kobe...so what's pure basketball?

Lebron is a better passer, finisher at the rim, slasher, playmaker, more efficient and smarter scorer, and...

Oh, Lebron also shoots as many 3PA as Kobe has, over their careers, and is shooting slightly higher percentages too.

Case closed. The nut-huggers are in love with the asthetic of Kobe's game instead of the impact. Same mentality of Iverson stans.
 

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So from impact and effectiveness impact, Lebron is better than Kobe...so what's pure basketball?

Lebron is a better passer, finisher at the rim, slasher, playmaker, more efficient and smarter scorer, and...

Oh, Lebron also shoots as many 3PA as Kobe has, over their careers, and is shooting slightly higher percentages too.
lol on some real chit Kobe fans are idiots.

LeBron is statistically better than Kobe in virtually every category but because he doesn't take unnecessary retardedly hard to make shots he's not as "good" as Kobe. The type of dudes who'd rather see a guy do 1,000 unnecessary fancy dribble moves to get to the basket when a straight line drive would've been just as effective. Having actual impact > looking good while doing it, just ask Shaq.
 

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When you ask Dirk and Wade who the best player of their generation...they say Kobe. One was Brons teammate for 2 rings the other faced him in the finals. That speaks volumes...more than any irrelevant stat you dudes can pull up.
 

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So from impact and effectiveness impact, Lebron is better than Kobe...so what's pure basketball?

Lebron is a better passer, finisher at the rim, slasher, playmaker, more efficient and smarter scorer, and...

Oh, Lebron also shoots as many 3PA as Kobe has, over their careers, and is shooting slightly higher percentages too.
Yet he only has 2 rings to Kobe's 5...I'll take Kobe's career

Rings >>> stats

And if that wasn't the case Bron wouldn't be sacrificing his stats to hop from loaded team to loaded team. Bron could have averaged 30 the last 5 years in cleveland but he rather win...which let's you know he thinks winning is more important to his legacy than the stars you continue to post..and he's right. Only people that cant see that are delusional Bron fans
 
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When you ask Dirk and Wade who the best player of their generation...they say Kobe. One was Brons teammate for 2 rings the other faced him in the finals. That speaks volumes...more than any irrelevant stat you dudes can pull up.
How many of you retards struggle to comprehend the fact that Kobe is always going to get that nod right now because his legacy is pretty much already written? He might continue to play but his career is more or less done, he won't garner anymore accolades. You're talking about 19 years to LeBron's 12 and counting. It's the same reason why you sound equally retarded saying "5>2" as if these dudes are both long retired and their ring count is finalized.
 

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its not because he doesn't take them, its because he can't make them consistently on volume...just ask Boris Diaw and Kawhii
It's called playing to your strengths. Next you're gonna tell me Shaq isn't that good because he never mastered the turn around post jumper a-la Dirk and wasn't doing all the fancy moves Olajuwon could in the post. Players aren't going to force themselves to take less efficient shots just to appease to Kobe-loving fakkits like you.

BTW...you say "ask Boris Diaw and Kawhi" but LeBron averaged 28 and shot 58% from the field and 52% percent from 3 during the Finals they just lost, with legendary "Bron stoppers" Kawhi and Diaw guarding him. :mjlol:
 

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I just want to see him get another ring. He will always regret 2011 cause right now his record should be 3-2 in the Finals with a chance for his 4th this season. Instead he's looking just to get to .500 in the Finals. But if he gets that 3rd ring along with 4 straight Finals appearances then he deserves a place at the table with all the other all time greats. Cause getting to three straight is nearly unprecedented nowadays. To get to 5 is just amazing with the luck and skill involved to play into June.
 

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It's called playing to your strengths.
BTW...you say "ask Boris Diaw and Kawhi" but LeBron averaged 28 and shot 58% from the field and 52% percent from 3 during the Finals they just lost

And the Spurs had an average victory margin of 20+ ppg so all garbage stats from Bron Bron :mjlol:

legendary "Bron stoppers" Kawhi and Diaw did a hell of a job.
 

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From a pure basketball standpoint, there is no Kobe-Lebron argument. Kobe does literally everything better except pass and even that's questionable given Lebron's nightmarish turnover rate this season.

Nightmarish turnover rate? Lebron had his worst turnover season ever (joined a new squad and had to figure out rhythm with them), yet he still had fewer turnovers than Kobe did in his worst season. And before this year, Kobe had FOUR seasons with a higher turnover rate than Lebron's worst season ever. Lebron has slightly more career turnovers/game than Kobe, but only because Kobe rarely had to handle the ball during the Shaq days when the Lakers had an elite squad - ever since Shaq left and Kobe averaged a horrific 4.1 turnovers a game the next season, Kobe has had a worse turnover rate than Lebron.

Literally no one argues that Kobe is a better passer than Lebron. It's not even just the assist stats (like Kobe's best full season being worse than every Lebron season since his rookie year). Lebron makes more assists, looks for the assists more, sees the asissts better, makes better decisions on assists, and makes nicer passes on assists. His lifetime assist/turnover ratio is 6.9/3.4, while Kobe's is 4.8/3.0, and Lebron did most of that with far inferior teammates to pass to. Again, no one argues this.

Lebron is also a better rebounder than Kobe. Don't know how you missed that one, but the guy averaging 7.1 boards for his career (8.5 in the playoffs) is a better rebounder than the guy averaging 5.3 boards (and only 5.1 in the playoffs).

Lebron is a better scorer at the rim than Kobe is. Again, this isn't an argument - among perimeter players, Lebron is there with MJ as the greatest scorers at the rim ever, and has probably gotten more clutch shots at the rim than any other player in history. This isn't even a strong area for Kobe.

Lebron has a higher career 3pt% than Kobe. For his career, Lebron averages 1.4 threes a game as a 34% clip. For his career, Kobe averages 1.3 threes a game at a 33% clip. Lebron has a higher % in the playoffs as well until he lost his shot for the first 2 rounds this season and hs number cratered (Kobe's numbers would have cratered too with his awful three-point shooting over the last 5 seasons, but he hardly made the playoffs). Argue shooting mechanics all you want, but then you have to explain why Lebron managed to get results in real games better than Kobe did.

Lebron is better at defending 5s, 4s, 3s, and 1s than Kobe is. Literally the only position which Kobe defends better than Lebron is the 2. Lebron is the guy who is sent to guard the other team's best player much more often than Kobe is, even when that's a point guard. And Lebron is a more disruptive off-ball defender than Kobe, averaging more steals (1.7 to 1.5) and more blocks (0.9 to 0.5) for his career. No one on Earth believes that Kobe is a better shot-blocker than Lebron. No one on Earth believes that Kobe defends big men better than Lebron. Adn most people acknowledge that Lebron defends 1s and 3s better than Kobe too.

Finally, Lebron runs the offense better than Kobe. Kobe is a better ball-handler, but Lebron is better at actually guiding the whole team from the point, which is why he's been doing it from his rookie season and Kobe's only done it occastionally over his career, and usually with hero-ball results.

So your assertion that Kobe does "literally everything better but pass"? :camby: Passing, rebounding, scoring at the rim, blocking shots, and defending bigs are all no-brainers, and Lebron's had better results on running the offense, defending PGs, and hitting threes too. You sound like a fool.
 

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Lebron is also a better rebounder than Kobe. Don't know how you missed that one, but the guy averaging 7.1 boards for his career (8.5 in the playoffs) is a better rebounder than the guy averaging 5.3 boards (and only 5.1 in the playoffs).

Similar rebound rates RELATIVE to their position :snoop:

This isn't even a strong area for Kobe.

Finishing wasn't a strong suit for Kobe? :mjlol:

Lebron has a higher career 3pt% than Kobe. For his career, Lebron averages 1.4 threes a game as a 34% clip.

on WAYYYYY less volume

Lebron is better at defending1s than Kobe is.

nope
 

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And it's a slight because while the ts% may be similar, defenses have less areas of the floor to worry about with Lebron hence Mavs 2011 Spurs 2013 and 2014

The ts% is NOT similar.

Lebron's career TS% is 58% in the regular season and 57% in the playoffs
Kobe's career TS% is 55% in the regular season and 54% in the playofs.

Lebron's done that while facing 3 fantastic Indiana defenses, 3 strong Boston defenses, 5 tries from Thibs defenses, 3 of the best San Antonio teams, and 2 prime Detroit teams. Kobe's faced a lower % of elite defensive squads (more total, but that's only because he has more years), because he got to feast when weak defensive teams like the Blazers/Suns/Jazz were some of the top teams in the Western Conference.
 

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And the Spurs had an average victory margin of 20+ ppg so all garbage stats from Bron Bron :mjlol:

legendary "Bron stoppers" Kawhi and Diaw did a hell of a job.
Didn't bother to do the actual math myself but saw through a quick google search that through 4 games of that Final LeBron was averaging 3.5 points in the 4th quarter, in 7.5 minutes. So if your argument is that he's scoring in "garbage time" or when the game's "out of reach" you're making yourself look insanely stupid.

And before you say it...Game 1 stats are skewed because he was out with cramps and Game 4 they were down 21 and the game was cooked when he checked in. Game 2 he had 8 points in the 4th and Game 3 was his only actual bad performance.

LeBron TORCHED Kawhi in that series, anyone who isn't a partial fukk knows that Finals loss wasn't on him.
 
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